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Matt Hayes reckons rivers are had it - your views

since the 70 s the rivers throught the country have had time to recover and thrive which was great and some years certain species excelled, which was a great sign and afew years later other suffered,
so with better water qaulity mr otter has return and also the comerat have also exploded, so before all these organisations sprung up nature have found away of controlling it self, so whats gone wrong,
 
just read the robert richbells post,
so THE E A, is the part cause of the problem, and yet, they supposed to able to advise ,help and protect our rivers, its a sham , the agency we are led to believe in to help us, ?????????
 
Adrian Williams said:
The deer cull slipped through because every celebrity chef on the tv bangs on about venison so it is accepted as a food source.
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Sea Otter

(It should be noted that the animal referenced here is most likely the European Otter, Lutra lutra, which is native to Europe, instead of the Sea Otter of the north Pacific, Enhydra lutris. Adding to the oddness, both of these recipes were in a section of the cookbook devoted to fish dishes for meatless days - apparently otters were considered to be seafood.)

Source [La Varenne's Cookery, T. Scully (trans.)]:
Sea-Otter in a Court-Bouillon. Dress a sea-otter and prepare it for putting into court-bouillon, which you make up in the same way as for the brill. When it has cooked, serve it dry, with parsley in a napkin on top.

Source [La Varenne's Cookery, T. Scully (trans.)]:
Sea-Otter on the Grill. Dress the sea-otter and roast it. When it is done, make whatever sauce you like for it, provided it tastes strong and, because those large chunks don't readily take on a flavoring, split it or slice it on top. Simmer it in its sauce until it has soaked up almost all of it. Then serve it, garnished with whatever you have on hand.
 
I think it would be better if the AT started asking that the Otter is left alone by various groups who are involved with the rescue and rehabilitation of orphaned Otter Cubs.
As the law states NO ONE should be interfering with the Otter.
Surely if ophaned Otter cubs are turning up in certain areas, then that shows that there are already a healthy population in that given area.
Because the law says they cannot be harmed our killed theres nothing else that can be done except nurturing these young Otters back to full health.
Then the problem begins again somewhere else when they are eventually re-released.
At which point does this practice end?..If it doesent then in affect the re-release program is actually still occuring, and the problem spreads because they cant release them back into areas they were found.
Rather than calling for a cull, we should be asking that EVERYONE, including the various groups or organisations and Joe public MUST LEAVE ANY OTTER CUBS WELL ALONE and let nature take its course.
Incase anyone on here thinks i am scare mongering regarding Otter re-release programs, well just go look on ANY Otter group website and you will see the hard work they are doing nurturing orphaned Otter cubs back to full health to be eventually re-released..
 
Release of Rehabilitated Otters
A few orphaned and injured otters are taken into care by the RSPCA and other wildlife rehabilitation centres each year. The RSPCA has developed a protocol for the care and release of these animals which has been agreed with the Otter Biodiversity Action Plan (BAP) Steering Group (see below). Other rehabilitation centres are encouraged to follow these guidelines.
There is a legal requirement to return these animals to the wild once they are fit for release. Cubs may be kept for over 12 months as they need to be mature enough to fend for themselves before release. The numbers involved are very small compared to the numbers of wild otters now present – on average less than ten otters a year. Releases should be as near as possible to where they were found, but pairs of cubs found in different locations that are later reared together may go back to the point of origin of one of them. There is no programme of using rehabilitated otters to colonise currently vacant catchments.

As you can see, this was taken off the EA website..So if your river does not have Otters at present, well they are coming to you very soon..
 
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I wonder with all the rain and floods we had last year and this year .
How many young Otters perished and either drowned or starved to death due to the flood water ?
 
Neil Smart said:
Like I said it is self serving nonsense, and your comments are just as absurd, I cannot believe how short sighted some are, yea lets just turn our rivers into managed venues that have as much character as a carp puddle, it's not the Otter that is the problem it is thinking like this.
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Sorry I have not been around to reply earlier Neil, I was fishing all day yesterday...something that you may well consider doing, then perhaps you would be more relaxed. You behaviour on here has always been somewhat erratic, to say the least, but the river closed season certainly brings the worst out in you. Go fishing Neil...then perhaps the rest of us would not have to put up with yet more of the unpleasant and uncalled for bile such as that which spewed forth in your last couple of post's. As usual, you have not got the sense to understand what others are saying, and as a result have roared off in a completely bizarre attack based on nothing. Perhaps you're sad revelation in another thread about how you're time spent as a trainer of attack dogs in the RAF was 'The happiest days of your life' is the most revealing comment you have made to date...it explains a lot. Go and be a keyboard hero elsewhere is my advice to you Neil...go and attack someone on a forum more attuned to that sort of thing...I for one (And trust me, I am not alone in this thought) have had enough of your increasingly unpleasant posts.

Cheers, Dave.
 
Sounds like some one has chucked there toys out of the pram :rolleyes:
Perhaps we are no longer allowed to express our opinions and views .
Even if some times its not what people want to hear :(
 
Ash Gould said:
That’s a very disrespectful post David.

Absolutely no need for it.
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MY post was disrespectful Ash :eek: Did you actually read the post's I was replying to? it is against the forum rules to make personal remarks against other members...which I admit I have done in the post you are referring to...but only in response to the ever increasing number of posts from Neil doing exactly that.

Many of my posts are possibly contentious, make points that I feel passionately about, and are not to everyones taste...which is why they frequently give rise to healthy discussions on the subject matter. I do NOT normally break forum rules by attacking other members in this way...and I need to be pretty angry to lower myself to that level. To date, Neil is one of the very few members whose attitude lowers me to that level.

If you are GENUINELY upset by my remarks, rather than using this as a devious method to support someone purely because they share your opinions on the subject of otters, then I apologise to you, and anyone else who found them offensive. However, I would advise that you read Neil's comments on this and many other threads recently, and reconsider your opinion as to who exactly is in the wrong here.

Cheers, Dave.
 
How very , very sad..I hope the Otter lovers on here who have their head very firmly buried in the sand, start to see the problem on where they fish..
Angling clubs up and down the country have worked damn hard to make where we fish a enjoyable place and now all many can do is watch whilst their hard work goes down the pan and the fish stocks get less and less..
Bear in mind alot of this work by clubs has been done purely out of their own time without any sort of payment, they did it because they care..

Why cant we have a reasonable discussion about this without the usual suspects turning it into a farce.!!!..If you have no positive input, then just say nothing..

I notice on another thread certain individuals have turned that thread into about RAF dogs.!!!..Whats that got to do about anything.?

And as for rivers not being on a commercial basis...Which planet have you just come off.?..Next you will be saying that Barbel Anglers dont name fish.!!

Anyway thats me finished for good on this site, which is a real shame as there are some really good folk on here whos writing i have enjoyed reading.

All the best to everyone.
 
Im not on Neils side or anyones side. I have never really noticed what Neil says, if DG and Neil have 'beef' then Im oblivious to it. Both seem sound enough to me.

With or without context what Dave put was disrespectful and I know he is above that, as he has just said. The frustrating thing with all this is, I know me and DG would get on in 'real' life (he might not think that). We just disagree about otters that is all.

I genuinely get annoyed when people dont let others have differing views. Im pretty consistent on that front (unlike my stance on otters which has gone 360- its pretty hard to see a creature as un-natural when you have just watched it doing what it does erm naturally). People lack objectivity and things blow up because of it. See Paul Boote and Townie threads for my consitent stance.

Im not for tit for tat arguments in the slightest. I didnt post it as some devious method to suport someone who shares my views on otters. If I was I could have just abliterated all the bunkem DG wrote when I stated rivers are a natural environment, he was pretty assuming and patronising in that post too. But with all the back slapping that received I thought; why bother? Unless you hate the sight of otters then your not a barbel angler anymore apparantly. And, if rivers arent natural environments then what have I been doing all this time!

Anyway, enough from me:

Carry on...
 
Craig Wood said:
How very , very sad..I hope the Otter lovers on here who have their head very firmly buried in the sand, start to see the problem on where they fish..
Angling clubs up and down the country have worked damn hard to make where we fish a enjoyable place and now all many can do is watch whilst their hard work goes down the pan and the fish stocks get less and less..
Bear in mind alot of this work by clubs has been done purely out of their own time without any sort of payment, they did it because they care..

Why cant we have a reasonable discussion about this without the usual suspects turning it into a farce.!!!..If you have no positive input, then just say nothing..

I notice on another thread certain individuals have turned that thread into about RAF dogs.!!!..Whats that got to do about anything.?

And as for rivers not being on a commercial basis...Which planet have you just come off.?..Next you will be saying that Barbel Anglers dont name fish.!!

Anyway thats me finished for good on this site, which is a real shame as there are some really good folk on here whos writing i have enjoyed reading.

All the best to everyone.
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Well said. Shame you're calling it a day.
 
David Gauntlett said:
Sorry I have not been around to reply earlier Neil, I was fishing all day yesterday...something that you may well consider doing, then perhaps you would be more relaxed. You behaviour on here has always been somewhat erratic, to say the least, but the river closed season certainly brings the worst out in you. Go fishing Neil...then perhaps the rest of us would not have to put up with yet more of the unpleasant and uncalled for bile such as that which spewed forth in your last couple of post's. As usual, you have not got the sense to understand what others are saying, and as a result have roared off in a completely bizarre attack based on nothing. Perhaps you're sad revelation in another thread about how you're time spent as a trainer of attack dogs in the RAF was 'The happiest days of your life' is the most revealing comment you have made to date...it explains a lot. Go and be a keyboard hero elsewhere is my advice to you Neil...go and attack someone on a forum more attuned to that sort of thing...I for one (And trust me, I am not alone in this thought) have had enough of your increasingly unpleasant posts.

Cheers, Dave.
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Wow where did that come from?

OK I did wander off a bit talking about the RAF but that was just a little two and fro with Ade, sorry if it offended you it was just banter.

The last thing I want to do is make things worse with this thread, but come on Dave you really have gone OTT but it is similar to your attack on me when I first joined the new look BFW, and that was pretty distasteful too, but you have said you are not alone in your view of me, and that sounds pretty much below the belt too. I speak from the Heart Dave obviously I will be at odds with others, that's life, but I would not want to get personal.

I assume your long post on the subject of this thread and the praise it received from those that supported your views gave you the courage to write the above, but it really just is a sharing of views, and personal attacks are just not on.
 
Ash Gould said:
Im not on Neils side or anyones side. I have never really noticed what Neil says, if DG and Neil have 'beef' then Im oblivious to it. Both seem sound enough to me.

With or without context what Dave put was disrespectful and I know he is above that, as he has just said. The frustrating thing with all this is, I know me and DG would get on in 'real' life (he might not think that). We just disagree about otters that is all.

I genuinely get annoyed when people dont let others have differing views. Im pretty consistent on that front (unlike my stance on otters which has gone 360- its pretty hard to see a creature as un-natural when you have just watched it doing what it does erm naturally). People lack objectivity and things blow up because of it. See Paul Boote and Townie threads for my consitent stance.

Im not for tit for tat arguments in the slightest. I didnt post it as some devious method to suport someone who shares my views on otters. If I was I could have just abliterated all the bunkem DG wrote when I stated rivers are a natural environment, he was pretty assuming and patronising in that post too. But with all the back slapping that received I thought; why bother? Unless you hate the sight of otters then your not a barbel angler anymore apparantly. And, if rivers arent natural environments then what have I been doing all this time!

Anyway, enough from me:

Carry on...
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Summed up well, I thought that it was going to be futile in trying to respond to Daves post that was so well received on here...hence this.
 
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