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Stillwater barbel fishing 2010

I think you will find barbel are indeed native to the stour and have been for alot more years than you and myself have been on this planet..You obviously have not read the posts regarding the cherwell,windrush or the thames come to that colin.ie..barbel dissapearing from its stretches along with chub also..Have you read the angling trusts report colin?..The problem has arisen for a variety of reasons such as low fish stocks due to water abstraction for farming and household use along with no proper survey being carried out on fish stocks in rivers and also too many otters being re-introduced in some cases where there were already otters present..Hope that answers your question colin..
Regards craig
 
Steve Carden. Thanks for confirming that. Had me worried.

I guess just need Ray to say the same re the Barbel Specialists then. Then I can go back and refute the mis-information.

Graham
 
Colin

If the Pete Reading / BS gave us / all anglers their basis of their knowledge on otters/ and why the decline of fish stcks in our rivers, there might not be any "hysteria".

Think of the pr they would get for informing anglers.

My lift is running late, so time for a quick response.

I partially agree but only partially because when equally respected anglers say the opposite then without wishing to diss many fellow anglers, lots will choose the easy to see and therefore blame route; Otters.

Regards BS pr, they can answer that for themselves.

Howard, I'd rather say your piece of evidence could be construed as hearsay, wouldn't you?

As for this little snippet of wisdom;
"There’s nothing wrong with these habitats," I can only assume there is either two river Cherwell's or the writer is infact blind.

All this serves to do is highlight my point about hearsay.
As nobody, repeat NOBODY (with any level of intelligence), EA included believes the Cherwell provides suitable for barbel (or any other species of river fish) to thrive.
 
I think you will find barbel are indeed native to the stour and have been for alot more years than you and myself have been on this planet..You obviously have not read the posts regarding the cherwell,windrush or the thames come to that colin.ie..barbel dissapearing from its stretches along with chub also..Have you read the angling trusts report colin?..The problem has arisen for a variety of reasons such as low fish stocks due to water abstraction for farming and household use along with no proper survey being carried out on fish stocks in rivers and also too many otters being re-introduced in some cases where there were already otters present..Hope that answers your question colin..
Regards craig

No it doesn't answer my question (wholly or accurately).

First off barbel are NOT a native species to the Stour, they were introduced in the early 19th century.
(true thats longer than any of us have been on this planet)

I don't need telling about fish numbers on the rivers Cherwell, Windrush or upper Thames, as unlike many who comment on these rivers I actually fish them.... Sorry I haven't got time to detail many of the problems they face but if you want I will endeavour to do so later.
 
Managing Our Fisheries:
Fight Invasive Species | Control Predators | Keep Fish Healthy

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Predators that eat fish are part of the natural ecosystem, and sustainable levels of predation are important for the health of fish populations because predators tend to select injured, sick or old fish.

However, there are many places where ecosystems are not natural or where fish populations are suffering from other impacts, which means that predators can cause major problems to fisheries. Introducing predators to fisheries which are suffering from weak fish populations because of pollution, over-abstraction, or lack of cover for fish, is utterly irresponsible. Anglers who try to apply for licences to shoot cormorants and goosanders find the process far too bureaucratic and the licences are often inadequate for the purpose. One of our members had 85 cormorants sitting on a pylon overlooking his fishery, and was given a licence to shoot 2!

There have been recent proposals to release beavers back into the wild. While they don't eat fish, they do build dams and destroy bankside vegetation. Until our river systems are completely restored and man-made barriers to fish are all removed, such a move should not even be contemplated.

Fisheries in certain parts of the country are suffering from predation from cormorants, goosanders, seals and otters. The Angling Trust carried out a survey of our members in 2009 and received many reports of tame otters which indicates that they are still being released into the wild against official guidelines.

What we will do in 2010:

Lobby DEFRA for an increase in the number of licences awarded for the control of cormorants.
Provide guidance to our members about how to go about applying for a licence to shoot cormorants and work with the British Association of Shooting and Conservation (BASC) to provide training and volunteers to help.
Lobby Natural England to publicise the fact that it advises against the reintroduction of otters now that natural regeneration has been successful.
Campaign for the protection and restoration of damaged river systems so that they can support healthier fish populations.
Lobby the Environment Agency for more funds to be released to support the cost of fencing and other deterrents at still water fisheries to keep out otters.
Lobby Natural England to halt plans to reintroduce beavers.
What we would do with more resources:

Provide advice and secure funding for catchment restoration. Funds must be used to recreate nursery and refuge habitats to provide protection to fish from predators.
Assist individual fishery owners with applying for licences to control cormorants, goosanders and mergansers.
Commission independent research into the impact and management of predators.
 
I think the point being made is simple..The name "BARBEL SOCIETY"..Perhaps im missing the point but i thought any group using this name prime objective would be to protect the barbel..I dont think its fair that one species should be re-introduced at the expence of another..Thats not conservation at all..

Protecting barbel at the expense of everything else, including otters, hardly counts as genuine conservation either. However, I could understand the Barbel Society (or any similar organisation) being primarily interested in little else.

I'm still struggling with the extreme attitudes on display over otters. It seems that they must have been utterly non-existent in some areas where they have been present in my own patch all my angling life. The evidence that numbers have been artificially boosted by unnatural reintroductions seems to be reasonably solid. The effects of increased otter numbers on the local rivers is anything but conclusive. I know that some are complaining that barbel are fewer and/or harder to catch but that could easily be attributable to increased angling pressure. Some stillwaters do seem to have been hit hard though, one in particular comes to mind.

I put a lot of time on the river bank last year. Despite being regaled with otter tales on a regular basis, I didn't see one, although I do know they are there. (Maybe I'm particularly noisy or smell a bit;):D!) I didn't see piles of scales or a single banked and half eaten carcass on the river. I'm also yet to see a damaged fish other than the odd one that has marks that I'd normally associate with a pike attack. The way some were carrying on you'd think that bank side trees were doing Christmas tree impressions while decorated with fishy baubles. I did see a far bank mink on one occasion, it was hunting in rabbit burrows. Within minutes of seeing it other anglers were asking me if I'd just seen the otter.

I know that there have been local introductions. As yet I'm unconvinced that the numbers on any given stretch of river have actually increased because of that. I'd suspect that areas that didn't already have a resident population may now have one but that is something that would have slowly happened naturally anyway. It does appear that stretches, tributaries and stillwaters in reasonable proximity that didn't previously have otters do appear to have them now. Perhaps we were lucky to have an existing otter population to spread the newcomers out as they maintain their existing territories. Perhaps the captive bred otters are happier to exist more closely than their genuinely wild bretheren? Maybe the captive bred otters are more likely to severely impact fish stocks due to having had a never ending food source when in captivity? Who knows, the only thing I'm reasonably happy with is that otters aren't quite the apocalyptic force that some paint them, at least not on my local river.
 
10. Barbel require conditions to spawn which cannot be found in stillwaters and naturally sustaining populations of barbel in stillwaters are not possible.
11. Barbel are less tolerant of high water temperatures and low oxygen levels that stillwater fish such as tench and carp. The lethal concentration of oxygen is almost twice as high for barbel that it is for tench.
12. More barbel have been stocked into stillwaters than all the rivers put together. These stillwater stockings are frequently repeated as the only impact they have is to increase the mortality rates of the stillwater fishery.
13. Barbel are great wanderers in rivers, often moving several kilometres in a matter of days in order to seek suitable conditions when changes in water temperature, flow rates etc. occur and also to suit their seasonal needs. Barbel cannot do this in the commercial stillwaters.
14. Commercial stillwaters do not provide the correct habitat for barbel to thrive not just the water quality is in question but the overhead cover is usually missing.


Taken from the barbel societys own mandate on their own site..
 
Very interesting points chris..Alot more are thinking the same way about hand reared otters..They are even being seen in broad daylight on the dorset stour hunting in packs of three with no fear of man..very good point chris..
Regards craig.
 
Craig, it seems I'll be tenching in the dark today, my ever reliable brother won't be with me for some time yet...:(

Here's a post I placed on the old format BFW, detailing some of the problems being experienced on the Cherwell;

I am writing this post regarding the poor fishing predominantly on my local river Cherwell. Where the problems start at the source and just get amplified the further down its course until it finally joins the Thames in Oxford.
From its source near Charwelton downstream to Cropredy there are numerous large arable farms with crop fields immediately adjacent to the river therefore obviously leading to run off becoming sediment in the river.
Then there are several feeder reservoirs for the Oxford canal which can only serve to starve the river of much needed water due in part to the simple reality that with over 150 acres of still water god only knows how much water is lost through evaporation.
Then not content with using precious water resources to keep the muddy ditch full water for pleasure craft to foul up the British Waterways then go on to abstract an unmeasured amount of water directly from the river at Cropredy.
So the river still only in its infancy stages is already very low on water and silting up.
Get to Banbury and it just gets better. Thames Water take water out of the river to supply aprox 60000 adults and with in the region of 40%+ being wasted due to their poor maintenance of the supply network who can estimate how much is removed.
It still gets better whilst still in Banbury you've guessed it. Thames Water go on to return the water back to the Cherwell via the sewage treatment works.
From Banbury heading south the agricultural practices at first seem to better with most fields around the river being permanent pasture but if you head up the tributaries the picture is very much different with farmers still cultivating right up to a metre of the water courses (I refer mainly to Sor Brook and the river Swere). In the Cherwell valley the river is still affected by bloody land drains which literally empty any rainfall we do get straight into the river causing a flash flood scenario and no prolonged periods of flooding to aid with vital cleaning out of the rivers build up of debris.
Then British waterways carry on to remove yet more water for the canal at Nellbridge and Bletchingdon.
So in summary the underlying problems on the river are not caused by Otters but a build up of a whole manner of causes (mostly avoidable).
This coupled by the blight of crayfish.
As its apparent that if the river system was functioning properly or even at 75% of its potential then the place of Otters returning to its place at the top of the food chain would not be a problem but this problem occurring is really a reflection of the narrow mindedness of the do-gooders that re-introduced them without looking at the WHOLE picture!!


You could always add predation from alien species to the river to this list; Mink, Cormorants and now zander....
Ignore what many others say in their hearsay appraisals on this river, otters are a minor contributing factor.
Yes an unwelcome one but that is just the way it is.... Rivers SHOULD be capable of sustaining these apex predators and if they aren't its that problem that needs rectifying!

If you want my opinion on the Windrush and/or Upper Thames, just ask.


Ray Walton and the Barbel Specialist Group what is your take on the otter issue, are they a problem, if yes how best to deal with them?
 
otters report
by NMD » Sat Aug 08, 2009 10:08 am

The following statement was issued after a meeting between the Angling Trust, the Environment Agency and Natural England to discuss the impact of otters upon freshwater fish stocks.
Joint statement:
Otters and Fisheries
The Wildlife Management Group met recently to exchange information and to seek opportunities to resolve issues regarding otters and freshwater fisheries. The meeting was attended by experts from the Angling Trust, Natural England, the Environment Agency, the Angling Trades Association and others.
It focussed, in particular, on the problems involving predation on specimen-sized coarse fish in rivers, although a wide range of issues were also debated. The continuing issue of fencing for selected stillwaters was also discussed in depth
The Group identified the areas of common ground, and it has started to explore how it can help anglers and the Environment Agency develop healthy and balanced river environments and habitats capable of supporting sustainable, diverse fish populations.
Work is progressing on establishing the current distribution of otters, listing useful reference documents and producing guidance to fishery managers on creating sustainable habitats for fish and other forms of wildlife.
During the meeting it became clear that there are several, widely-quoted misconceptions about otters which need to be addressed and corrected:-
• 'The otter predation problem has arisen because of the reintroduction programme'. Otter numbers have increased naturally throughout Britain as a consequence of successful recolonisation and breeding following a major decline in numbers caused by pesticides. The reintroduction programme has simply increased the speed of recovery in parts of England, notably in East Anglia.
• 'The reintroduction programme is continuing unchecked'. Between 1983 and 1999 a small number (117) of captive-bred otters were released to the wild by the Otter Trust. The Vincent Wildlife Trust released rehabilitated animals between 1990 and 1996 (49), over half as part of a Yorkshire release programme, but also a few into East Anglia, Northumbria and on the Trent. No introductions of captive-bred otters have occurred since 1999. There have been releases of rehabilitated or orphaned animals, once they have been nursed back to health, which number no more than four or five a year. As far as it is practicable, rehabilitated otters are released back to the areas where they were found.
• 'Trapping or culling is needed to control otter numbers'. There is no call or case for the culling or trapping of otters, which enjoy full protection under international and national legislation. Otter numbers will be constrained by available breeding habitat and prey.
• 'Otters are eating coarse fish because of the decline in eel populations'. Otters are opportunist predators which tend to catch and consume fish most readily available to them. There is no evidence that they 'prefer' or select particular fish species.
It was agreed that the over-arching strategy should be to create and maintain healthy aquatic environments where balanced populations of fish and otters can co-exist in a sustainable manner.
The majority of complaints about otter predation on rivers have arisen where fisheries are suffering from one or more environmental problems - over-abstraction, pollution, habitat damage, etc. The Group recognised that there are and would continue to be site-specific problems involving levels of predation which may reduce the amenity and fishery value.
The Group is exploring areas of possible applied research which might be usefully undertaken to enhance knowledge of otters in the wild and their impacts on fisheries with unbalanced fish populations. It would appear that problems are localised to certain rivers, rather than being universal, and it is important to understand why this is the case.
Part of that process will be to identify fish populations which are considered to have been adversely affected by otter predation to assess the nature and severity of the problems and to cross-reference this information to historic fisheries data sets. The Environment Agency is to examine a programme of priority fish restocking to restore sustainable fish populations to these fisheries.
In addition, it was agreed that an information pamphlet will be prepared and issued, setting out the facts about otters and fisheries and providing guidance on how specific problems can be minimised, especially on stillwater fisheries where the impacts on economic and social benefits arising have been most significant.
This will complement the recent publication of a joint advisory booklet by the Environment Agency and the Wildlife Trusts on 'Otters and Stillwater Fisheries'.
These will be among the matters for discussion when the Wildlife Management Group meets again, in the next three months.
Top anglers speak out

The four supposed misconceptions have caused concern amongst the nation's anglers, many of whom think that the Angling Trust has jumped in bed with the EA and NE.
Many 'named' anglers are expressing their disappointment and some are even threatening to withdraw their membership of the new, unified governing body.
The following are reactions to the meeting and further anecdotal evidence of the impact the UK's biggest mammalian predator is having on some river systems:
John Wilson, MBE
The otter issue is all interwoven with cormorant predation. I was warning about the impact of these predators in my books 20 years ago.
Silvers and juvenile fish stocks in our rivers are in a worse state than ever.
The EA are bloody toothless. There should have been a national cormorant cull a decade ago. The Agency has a statutory obligation to safeguard fisheries and inland waterways.
I can now see a situation where there will be bugger all fish left in our upland rivers. I can see the Wensum from my study window and I have watched it happening every day. All our hard work as anglers has gone down the drain. It's such a shame. It makes me so sad.
Fisheries consultant Keith Wesley, Bedwell Fisheries Services
I know for a fact that Natural England gave permission to release 24 otters a 1km squared area in Gloucestershire. I know this because someone at Defra claimed such behaviour probably contravened animal welfare laws!
I've surveyed ponds in Norfolk and found no fish whatsoever after being called in by concerned local clubs and anglers who wanted to know what was wrong with their fishing.
An EA fish survey of one stretch of the Great Ouse saw the stretch downgraded from a Category A to a Category C fishery due to a crash in the numbers of adult barbel which took place over just three seasons.
In the past three years the EA has contracted me to investigate eel populations in various catchment areas. How can you release an apex predator and claim it isn't impacting on declining eel populations?
Elsewhere the public is being asked to sponsor otters with money that's used to build holts to encourage their spread.
As for fencing stillwaters, that will just concentrate otters on unprotected, wild fisheries.
For the EA to claim there's no problem is absolute rubbish. They know perfectly well there is but it isn't politically correct to admit it.
I oversaw the stocking of 1,400 fish into two lakes at Ryemeads. After six months we only found three and after a year just one! If the Agency doesn't help clubs and fishery owners there are going to be messy battles all over the place.
We were all hoping the Angling Trust would stand up for anglers and back us to the hilt. I'm glad I waited before joining because to my mind they've fallen at the first hurdle. What they should have demanded from NE and the EA was the impact assessment that should have been carried out before these animals were released. Where are they?
The Angling Trust can't speak for anglers if it doesn't speak to them and listen.

Trefor West
I fish for 10 hours a day, five days a week over the summer, it's my job. I think I'm in a good position to observe what's happening. We're talking about a total wipeout of barbel on the Cherwell, the Windrush, the upper Thames, the Teme, the Leme and the Warks Avon. All have been hit by otters. As I guide it's my job to know where all the big barbel in the river live, right down to each specific bush and snag. A hundred big barbel have vanished from the Cherwell and the banks have been littered with carcasses. In just four seasons 30 years of fishing has gone down the drain.
No matter what fish are re-stocked this isn't going to benefit me in my lifetime. The damage is done; the situation is irretrievable. What's the point in creating ideal spawning habitat if there's no bloody brood stock left in the river?
Having read last week's joint statement this is yet another example of angling's leaders being so far out of touch it's unbelievable. Anglers deserve to see some proper scientific research carried out. Fourteen 15lb-plus fish have vanished from Adam's Mill and I've only seen three spawning fish on the stretch this closed season.

Gary Stone, an Essex carp syndicate boss near the Suffolk Stour
We've just had three carp killed by otters on our 6 acre lake. All the 25 members have had to dig into their own pockets to help find the £8,000 to £10,000 needed to fence off the fishery.
I'm disappointed with the Angling Trust's stance on otters. It's irresponsible of them to play these predation problems down instead of standing up for the angling community and protecting fisheries.
The dearest fencing quote was £23 per metre. Couldn't the Trust arrange a deal with a big fencing contractor to help fisheries source sensibly priced fencing?

Dr Bruno Broughton, independent fisheries consultant who chaired the recent meeting
This process has got to lead somewhere and have a practical outcome. Anglers need to help collect hard evidence of specific problems affecting fish stocks. That evidence then needs to be investigated seriously and unbiasedly.

Cherwell barbel angler Daniel Empson, from Bicester
In my first season's fishing (2003/04) on the Cherwell I caught 93 barbel, including 33 doubles. From my first sighting of an otter barbel numbers started falling. My second season I caught over 30, my third I caught just two.
The same has happened on the Windrush - there's nothing left. All around Oxford the story's the same and now the Bristol Avon going downhill fast. Everywhere else will be the same in five years' time.
The EA must know what's happened from its survey results. There's nothing wrong with these habitats, the predators are simply eating all the fish.

Tim Norman, Dorset-based big fish angler
I'm disappointed in the Trust. I don't know where there aren't any otters, so how can anyone claim the problem's 'localised'? And claiming that a natural balance will eventually be established is just a cop out for people who don't want to do anything.
Our river environments are almost perfect, there's just no fish in them. The only reason can be predation.
What does it say to you about the natural environment when the EA fisheries department is advising you to fence your fishery? It says to me that they expect otters to be eating all the big fish!

Phil Smith, Coventry-based big fish angler
The EA should let us know whether it has downgraded the category of some rivers after surveys revealed a collapse in fish stocks. Something needs to be done now or there may be little left in five years.

Richard Bowler, Great Ouse barbel and perch angler
If you want to know about the otter's impact just look on the Internet.
An otter survey on the Somerset Levels in 1975 revealed the bird feather content of spraints was 4.7 per cent. The latest survey in the same area two years ago has seen that feather content rise to 41 per cent. To me that suggests that otter's diet has significantly altered as a result of a crash in the eel population.
I've watched barbel spawning at three places on the Great Ouse this season. I saw a total of seven fish. In the mid-90s I'd have observed 20 at each site! Numbers have crashed. Catching Ouse barbel is at least three times harder than it was a decade ago. If the Trust's bosses are being paid to represent anglers then maybe they should try talking to some to find out exactly what's happening on the bank.

John Everard
The EA needs to be challenged when it claims the decline is due to poor habitat. Where's the science to prove this? I've been dealing with these rivers all my adult life. I know these rivers very, very, very well and they've always had a superb diversity in fish stocks.
It was only three or four years ago I had the guys in the local fisheries department ringing me from the banks of the Cherwell all excited about finding numerous different year classes of barbel in their survey. Now there are barely any left.
Specimen barbel only became prevalent when the otter declined. Now otters have returned the barbel itself is in steep decline. Anglers always warn about these problems first but no one ever listens to us until it's too late.
I know Graham Scholey who was made an MBE for his work on the UK Otter BAP. Last week he told me that anglers are just going to have to get used to catching fewer big river fish.
The chief executive of the Angling Trust needs to defend anglers and fish. At least Graham Scholey is fighting his corner.

Richard Knowles, secretary of the Thames Fisheries Consultative
Fifteen otters were released in Lechlade over a very short space of time. There was clear evidence of predation at the time and those animals spread up the Windrush.
I've argued with Graham Scholey about otters specifically targeting barbel. It's a top predator which exploits those prey species which is most readily available.
Around Oxford we're seeing the impact of a multitude of predators, primarily cormorants, signal crayfish and otters. The resulting decrease in recruitment has seen the average size of fish rise as a result of less competition but it has left the population more vulnerable to otters.
It's no use releasing large numbers of predators if there isn't plenty of readily available prey. Yes, a balance will return in the long run but what will happen in the short-term? A European indicator species, the barbel, will be damaged.
The EA tends to bury its head in the sand and repeat that there needs to be habitat improvements but there's no evidence whatsoever that in-stream habitat of Thames tributaries has deteriorated. The EA needs to stop denying that otters are having an impact. We'll never have natural recruitment if the brood stock has been wiped out.

Andy Nellist
When otters declined there were fewer cormorants, no mink or signal crayfish, and far more eels and rudd. To artificially encourage the spread of this apex predator into such a radically altered ecosystem without proper scientific investigation could prove to have been grossly irresponsible.NMD

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Thanks for your views colin..very good points..I think the above official statement might help clarify..
Regards craig
 
I dragged up my old post because I couldn't be arsed re-writing it all.

Craig, why are you dragging up old posts that have been debated over endlessly, I pulled the referals to Oxon rivers to pieces then and if you want me to do so again, sorry I can't be bothered, just read the old posts as little or nothing has changed!:p
 
Cherwell barbel angler Daniel Empson, from Bicester

In my first season’s fishing (2003/04) on the Cherwell I caught 93 barbel, including 33 doubles. From my first sighting of an otter barbel numbers started falling. My second season I caught over 30, my third I caught just two.

The same has happened on the Windrush – there’s nothing left. All around Oxford the story’s the same and now the Bristol Avon going downhill fast. Everywhere else will be the same in five years’ time.

The EA must know what’s happened from its survey results. There’s nothing wrong with these habitats, the predators are simply eating all the fish.

Hi Howard

Good to here from you, you've been a bit quiet lately?...shame you chose that quote, that is one specimens anglers point of veiw that the vast majority of upper Thames anglers would disagree with. This thread as gone way of track but I have to have my say because there is some real total ****e being talked and quoted.

The truth is that this region is suffering more problems than any other in the country. the rivers are collapsing from a mutitude of reasons that started long before otters were back and signals were around. In truth the EA, AT, local consultative havent got a clue how to tackle these problems.

I'll say it again that alot of you chaps don't reaslise how bad things can get and Craig I suggest you do a bit more home work and find out the truth before you open your gob.

Cheers
Jason
 
Sorry colin but as you can see its not just about rivers in oxfordshire its talking about the whole of the country..And as many on here dont have that much info im trying to inform people so they can make their own mind up..
p.s shame about the tench fishing i was going myself the weekend but ive seen them cold NE winds are about so will leave it..
Regards craig.
 
Clarify what?

If you want good 'old' anti otter stuff, search out Chris geezer's posts, plenty to keep you going, on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on............:rolleyes:
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I'll just say this
Official statements when made, are given to Barbel Society members, via the methods available to them.
 
Cheers Colin, that last post is really psychedelic, in an on and on way....
 
Sorry colin but as you can see its not just about rivers in oxfordshire its talking about the whole of the country..And as many on here dont have that much info im trying to inform people so they can make their own mind up..
p.s shame about the tench fishing i was going myself the weekend but ive seen them cold NE winds are about so will leave it..
Regards craig.

Which other rivers?
Wensum I accept has a problem with otters, that is to say its otter predation out ways the other problems its faced with, IMO.

Warks Avon, after reading the river reports it seems otters are demolishing it as a viable fishery, "even the chub have gone and there was some whoppers along there".
Does big not mean old and do fish not die from old age, guessing not if otters reside in the river.
A bit like saying Freddie Mercury died from pneumonia and not Aids:rolleyes:.
 
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