Polish fisherman

[Lee Poultney]

There are several references to eating coarse fish in 'Mr Crabtree Goes Fishing'. It's been happening sice time began.

 

[Tom Marshall]

So very true Lee.

 

[Stuart Brookes]

I think the difference is culturally we have moved away from eating coarse fish. Elisabeth David wrote a recipe in the 50's involving pike,perch and if you could get your hands on one a nice tench, her words not mine.
Having said that I was talking to a guy who Bailiffs a section of the Tees and a number of quality barbel and chub have been caught and killed by Polish anglers on a free stretch. Even within the current EA rules it is illegal.
Ignorance, no matter what ethnic group, is no excuse and the law should be applied but since the EA have lost a lot of government funding then the chance of seeing an officer is unlikely.

 

[Martin Hemington]

The whole country is going to hell on a handcart.


There are so many things just plain wrong in this country and not just fishing.

Get pee'd of when I think about it to much. We can all think of things that have gone wrong with this country, nothing much will be be done about the fish nicking/eating thing, it's not seen as a big deal to "non anglers" but hey, it's ok there restoring lovely creatures like otters to the water system...!!

Oh and the Signals will hoover up the fish eggs and the Cormarants are doing a blinding job too!!

Blimey I'm moaning

btw

God bless the EU, love n Hugs

 

[Tony Rocca]

If it wasn't for their dads flying our Spitfires you may be speaking German Wayne.

They can have a few fish for me, far more important things to worry about.

 

[Martin Hemington]

If it wasn't for their dads flying our Spitfires you may be speaking German Wayne.

They can have a few fish for me, far more important things to worry about.

The greatest of men (as well as all the others that died in the war).

Not fish related but watching the news the other night and saw the news item about all the graves that had all the brass and metal stolen (hundreds of them). What lovley world we live in now

Martin

 

[Will Smith]

The Angling Trust have been working on this for a while.

See: http://www.anglingtrust.net/page.asp?section=709%A7ionTitle=Building+Bridges+with+Migrant+Anglers

Multi-language signs have been a big hit with clubs and fisheries.

There is a new leaflet in 7 languages being printed soon by the Trust that explains UK fishing customs, catch and release, EA byelaws on fish min/max sizes and numbers and good bankside behaviour (such as no litter, don't eat wild birds, don't light fires etc).

 

[Steven Palmer]

Agreed there are significant problems in certain areas, but the law states, on any given day you may only remove:

* one pike of up to 65 cm;
* two grayling of 30–38 cm;
* up to a total of 15 small fish of up to 20 cm of the following native species: barbel; chub; common bream; common carp; crucian carp; dace; perch; pike; roach; rudd; silver bream; smelt; and tench.

Fish are measured from the tip of the snout to the fork of the tail.

The people taking coarse fish from the UK’s rivers are not all Polish as the title of thread wrongly indicates.

Unless of course the controlling club has a "take no fish" policy 

 

[Steve Sorrell]

Bumped into a couple of my local clubs baliffs last week. While chatting i asked if that had much trouble with 'big foreheads' poaching.
Suprisingly, out of 22 'anglers' they had kicked off in the last fortnight , only 3 were EE's, the remainder being English. Maybe we need signs in English but then i doubt they could read.....

Food for thought though.....

 

[Tom Marshall]

Very true Steven, but it does make me laugh when clubs impose rules they cannot and will not enforce.
I am not too sure where this stands legally, but if a club has a ''take no fish policy’’ and someone gets caught taking fish I don’t believe the club can in fact press charges against the perpetrator. Unless they are infringing the bylaw detailed in my previous post and in any case it would have to be the Environment Agency who brought any legal action and how often do you see that happening?

 

[Tom Marshall]

i asked if that had much trouble with 'big foreheads' poaching.

Big forehead's, thats not really on is it?

 

[Pete Marshall]

Very true Steven, but it does make me laugh when clubs impose rules they cannot and will not enforce.
I am not too sure where this stands legally, but if a club has a ''take no fish policy’’ and someone gets caught taking fish I don’t believe the club can in fact press charges against the perpetrator. Unless they are infringing the bylaw detailed in my previous post and in any case it would have to be the Environment Agency who brought any legal action and how often do you see that happening?

The legal action in the case of stillwaters could be taken by the police under the theft act. In the case of rivers it would be up to the club to pursue a civil action for damages against those who broke their rules (in England and Wales as wild animals have no owner, in Scotland the theft act also applies to rivers as wild animals belong to the landowner). The EA could only take action that breeches the bye laws. The do not enforce clubs rules for them.
In reality any one breaking a club rule would usually just have their membership ended.

 

[David Hall]

The legal action in the case of stillwaters could be taken by the police under the theft act. In the case of rivers it would be up to the club to pursue a civil action for damages against those who broke their rules (in England and Wales as wild animals have no owner, in Scotland the theft act also applies to rivers as wild animals belong to the landowner). The EA could only take action that breeches the bye laws. The do not enforce clubs rules for them.
In reality any one breaking a club rule would usually just have their membership ended.

if they have membership, which in alot of cases, not,
the only thing that anglers and clubs can do is bailiff their waters properly.
i haven't had a club card checked for 3 years now.:confused:

 

[Martin Hemington]

So, I can hardly speak english, don't have much money and maybe not a job. I go poaching and get caught! whoopie do, what do you think will happen to me.?

 

[John Walker]

my post was to highlight the fact that not knowing our rules and customs
is a lot of the problem, notices in polish are ok if all migrants fishing there are polish, what about the hungarians, czechs, and many other eastern block migrants.
an example was when i took marek to interpretate with some others who i wanted to talk with, he looked at them, laughed his head off and promptly told me they were hungarians and he couldnt understand a word of it:confused:
what i am saying is once they are aware of the dos and donts then let the law flex its muscles, remember not all of them can read at all!

 

[Peter Littleworth]

Its all well and good having the new fishery laws, signs in many languages, etc, but if they are not enforced it is just pointless. The EA officers are virtually non existant, and seem to concentrate on commercial fisheries, that volume of man-hours could be reduced by making it a legal requirement for day ticket sellers/fishery owners to require the production of a rod licence before any ticket sale is made, the same for purchasing club books etc. The EA officers could then concentrate on the more vunerable waters, free river stretches etc.
regardless of origin, they should abide by our laws/customs, the fact that they often don,t, is largely down to our lack of enforcement, they know they will generally get away scot free, if challenged at all!!!
peter

 

[David Gauntlett]

Its all well and good having the new fishery laws, signs in many languages, etc, but if they are not enforced it is just pointless. The EA officers are virtually non existant, and seem to concentrate on commercial fisheries, that volume of man-hours could be reduced by making it a legal requirement for day ticket sellers/fishery owners to require the production of a rod licence before any ticket sale is made, the same for purchasing club books etc. The EA officers could then concentrate on the more vunerable waters, free river stretches etc.
regardless of origin, they should abide by our laws/customs, the fact that they often don,t, is largely down to our lack of enforcement, they know they will generally get away scot free, if challenged at all!!!
peter

Absolutely Peter....in a nut shell....spot on. Of course the reason they get away with it is that the various bodies who should be enforcing these regulations now have a ready made excuse for doing nothing. They are told by the legions of muddle minded do gooders and politically correct ding bats who have spread their insanity from Brussels to infect the whole of Europe....that it is wrong to single out any ethnic group, nationality....or pretty well anyone else you care to name...and accuse them of any wrongdoing, or of being responsible for anything. It would seem that now, even if you catch someone in the act of wrongdoing, you cannot take them to task for their actions, because that would be infringing on their 'human rights'

If you will allow me to digress slightly here, there were three items in the news the other day that demonstrate what I am saying about the madness that is Brussels and the EU....and the reaction to them highlighted at last the long awaited dawning of understanding within our politicians that it is time to say no.

Brussels have muted plans to levy new taxes on the British pensions systems, with vague ideas of taxing the payments made into pensions at the outset, and then taxing them again as they mature. The idea is to pour the billions thus raised into the economies of the EU countries who have proved to be incompetent at running their own affairs (such as Ireland, Greece etc.) to keep them afloat....the very same countries we have already bailed out once! The cost of those first bail outs the government now admits equaled pretty much all the billions saved by the cuts in our economy that they imposed...those cuts that are squeezing the worst off of us to death at this moment

The second was a response by Brussels to grumblings about the fact that we, the British tax payers, have to fork out millions every year to support the families of EU people living/working in this country. It seems that if such a person comes here to work, we immediately have to pay (or soon will, I can't recall which) child allowances etc. to that persons family, even though the recipients are still living at home in that persons home country It seems Brussels intend to reinforce and even extend that regulation...

Lastly, a rather nasty Muslim religious instructor was recently found guilty of various acts of encouraging and supporting terrorism, supplying funding for terrorist training etc., and as a result was quite rightly banned from entering Britain, where he had intended to tour our local mosques to spread his evil. When this person decided to ignore this ban and come here anyway, he was arrested by customs and held for deportation processes to be enacted to return him from whence he came. As ever, this person appealed, and the ruling of the appeal court is that 'Although the initial judgement on this person, and the consequent decision to ban him from Britain were correct and just'....we now have to pay this individual as yet undecided sums in compensation....because we 'Failed to explain clearly or soon enough WHY he had been detained'

I gather that even old opponents of British policy, such as Germany and France, have now joined in at protesting at some of the crazy rules and new regulations recently handed down by the EU, or forced upon our legal system by diktats from the EU, many of which seem to be specifically aimed at Britain.

Perhaps there is light at the end of the tunnel? However, I for one shall not hold my breath while we wait

Sorry for the long whinge....I just get so fed up with the ever increasing madness of the EU, which seems intent on making us the milk cow for the rest of Europe...and determined to force us to stand still in silence and take it, by imposing this very manufactured madness called 'political correctness' into every corner of our lives....including the original point involving our fish (if you can remember back that far )

Cheers, Dave.

 

[Ian Grant]

Sorry for the long whinge....I just get so fed up with the ever increasing madness of the EU, which seems intent on making us the milk cow for the rest of Europe...and determined to force us to stand still in silence and take it, by imposing this very manufactured madness called 'political correctness' into every corner of our lives....including the original point involving our fish (if you can remember back that far )

Cheers, Dave.

Very well said David .... that is the bottom line in all this, i doubt that any government present or future will have the courage to do what is neccesary, when they wont or can't even force them to abide by our laws now.
The EU though is showing signs of fracturing, if it all comes apart it may solve the problem anyway, i.e. stopping the flow of these EE migrants.
Europe i think will be in polictical, and economical meltdown in a few years unless they do something very quickly, and may leave us with far bigger problems to deal with, as to whether a goverment will be able to re patriate these migrants ( not particularly talking about polish ) will be debatable, not wanting to be seen as the Idi Amin of Europe.
The drain on our resources that these migrants cause is unsustainable, we've been Europes dustbin for too long, and ours needs emptying !
Will it happen ? No, at least not anytime soon i think, so leaving aside all the social problems they create, we are going to have to put up with the fish stealing, and killing of wildlife for their pots - (and so i hear not just wildlife either)
The law does have the power to deal with them, it seems though there are not the resources available to bring them before the courts in any great number....... What a sad state this country's getting into

Ian.

 

[Colin Gordon]

I just get so fed up with the ever increasing madness of the EU, which seems intent on making us the milk cow for the rest of Europe.

Dave, actually Germany produces nearly twice the quantity of milk as we (the UK) do and even France produces in excess of 50% more than us.






That is what you meant isn't it?

 

[Stephen Whyte]

(and so i hear not just wildlife either) Ian, what did you hear ?

Thanks
Stephen