David Hall
Senior Member
surly if the EA allowed rivers to dry up causing fish deaths and wildlife, it could lead to some sort of legal action, this is what the trust was set up for, yer.
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Hose pipe ban's!!
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Jim Foxall
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I read an article in National Geographic a few years ago that predicted wars over water rather as they now occur over oil rights. Turkey for example has dammed the Euphrates meaning that they can turn the taps off in countries downstream.
What I cannot understand is why there cannot create shallow basins to catch floodwater and then pump the water back up to the higher reservoirs. Zillions of gallons of water runs off out to sea every time it rains.
Anyway, according to our local BBC channel Look East :confused: you cannot wash your car or fill your garden pond or pool unless it has fish in it. How long before they are putting carp in swimming pools to get round the ban? Or what about goldfish bowls on the rear parcel shelf in cars?
p.s. Who is to blame for foreign companies owning our utilities? Us of course. Maggie sold us shares in the companies cheap. We sold them on for a small profit, and where are they now?
Don't entirely agree, Clive with your last p.s. para. Maggie sold shares in our utilities not for the benefit of the "small fry" investors, the"Syds", but for the benefit of the big players. The small investors piled in for a quick buck and this was the bait for getting the population onside for the giveaway of our public assets. I suspect that most of the shares have been mopped up and are now owned by the big institutions. It's quite depressing, but it seems that currently, just about everything is wrong with this country.
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'The water company's requirements'? Are they not ours then?
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David Parker
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You'd have thought they were one and the same.
But as long as we have short term stakeholder interests and moveable share portfolios, I fear turning a quick profit can actually be achieved without having to care very much at all about 'core business'. So, in my view, no they're not the same at all. The water company's requirements are to make a profit. Ours are to have decent quality water and decent amounts of it for a fair price. It's come to something when these can be seen as mutually exclusive aims.
Sad, really.
Rhys Perry
Senior Member
I don't know what you lot are all talking about, I'm pretty sure that when the Chinese bought a stake in Thames water recently, they only did so as they wanted to help improve the quality of service to the customers!
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Welcome to the future people, it's not pretty
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Lee Iley
Senior Member
I would say so david!
David Gauntlett
Senior Member
Some of the major stakeholders in our water companies are/have been Russia, Germany, China and France.
I can't think of any combination who love us more, and are therefore most likely to have our best interests at heart
As hosepipe ban begins, how water bosses have pocketed huge bonuses | Mail Online
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/busin...y-hong-kong-tycoon-at-47-billion-6428511.html
Cheers, Dave.
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Neil Blood
Senior Member
And here's the latest solution!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/dr...o-ease-drought-under-water-company-plans.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/dr...o-ease-drought-under-water-company-plans.html
David Hall
Senior Member
few months ago, my local tackle shop owner was saying about this plan involving canals, he knows people in the EA.
Rhys Perry
Senior Member
Ok, so, two extracts from the same article:
'Surplus water from rivers and underground sources in the Midlands, Cotswolds and even Wales could be pumped through pipelines or into canals to carry vital supplies to areas facing water shortages, according to the plans.'
'There were also warnings that the West Midlands and south-west England could also slip into drought without substantial rainfall.'
'Surplus water from rivers and underground sources in the Midlands, Cotswolds and even Wales could be pumped through pipelines or into canals to carry vital supplies to areas facing water shortages, according to the plans.'
'There were also warnings that the West Midlands and south-west England could also slip into drought without substantial rainfall.'
David Hall
Senior Member
they cannot move what is not there so..Ok, so, two extracts from the same article:
'Surplus water from rivers and underground sources in the Midlands, Cotswolds and even Wales could be pumped through pipelines or into canals to carry vital supplies to areas facing water shortages, according to the plans.'
'There were also warnings that the West Midlands and south-west England could also slip into drought without substantial rainfall.'
David Gauntlett
Senior Member
Ok, so, two extracts from the same article:
'Surplus water from rivers and underground sources in the Midlands, Cotswolds and even Wales could be pumped through pipelines or into canals to carry vital supplies to areas facing water shortages, according to the plans.'
'There were also warnings that the West Midlands and south-west England could also slip into drought without substantial rainfall.'
Don't care Rhys....we want your Welsh water and we ain't taking no for an answer
Cheers, Dave.
Pete Marshall
Senior Member
Moving water from one river to another is not a cheap or simple operation in the way the media would have you believe. The water will need treatment between each river it enters for PH levels alone...just this alone is not a cheap process. There will also need to be treatment to ensure that diseases that exist in one river is not spread to another. This all applies when using canals as well as they are connected and fed by river systems.
There are some already existing systems for moving water from one catchment to another in a safe manner. Severn Trent water company are about to start doing this to Anglia in order to supply Newark. You can read about this here.
Water pipelines were created in the late Victorian period to supply cities before those cities were enlarged. The most obvious is the Birmingham pipeline from central Wales which was built to supply the entire needs of an expanding Birmingham for fifty years. It not only achieved this, but it wasn't until after 70 years before the increased needs of Birmingham required any further pipelines. This pipeline still works and still meets over 70% of all the present water requirement of Birmingham. It was built and paid for by the businesses of Birmingham and not subsidised by those who do not benefit from it as is being presently proposed where all us tax and water rate payers in the North will have to contribute to the water shortages in the south. It's a pity that the southern half of the country, which has been the expanding part of the equation over the last 30 years didn't actually plan for the increased requirements for water. It is hardly a surprise is it?
There is also the usage question. Those in what is thought of as the south, draw a line from Bristol to the Wash and about half the population live below it and half above, use considerably more water per head than those in the North.
There are some already existing systems for moving water from one catchment to another in a safe manner. Severn Trent water company are about to start doing this to Anglia in order to supply Newark. You can read about this here.
Water pipelines were created in the late Victorian period to supply cities before those cities were enlarged. The most obvious is the Birmingham pipeline from central Wales which was built to supply the entire needs of an expanding Birmingham for fifty years. It not only achieved this, but it wasn't until after 70 years before the increased needs of Birmingham required any further pipelines. This pipeline still works and still meets over 70% of all the present water requirement of Birmingham. It was built and paid for by the businesses of Birmingham and not subsidised by those who do not benefit from it as is being presently proposed where all us tax and water rate payers in the North will have to contribute to the water shortages in the south. It's a pity that the southern half of the country, which has been the expanding part of the equation over the last 30 years didn't actually plan for the increased requirements for water. It is hardly a surprise is it?
There is also the usage question. Those in what is thought of as the south, draw a line from Bristol to the Wash and about half the population live below it and half above, use considerably more water per head than those in the North.
David Gauntlett
Senior Member
"There is also the usage question. Those in what is thought of as the south, draw a line from Bristol to the Wash and about half the population live below it and half above, use considerably more water per head than those in the North".
Can we help it if we are clean folk down here in the south
Cheers, Dave.
Can we help it if we are clean folk down here in the south
Cheers, Dave.
Ray Walton
Senior Member
Quote from Ken Thompson:
"My best mate works for the enviroment agency in the flooding department, and he told me the other day that the official stance of the enviroment agency is that they would see the water companies satified with the amount of water they need before they will be concerned with the the river levels. He said if push came to shove the rivers would be allowed to dry up so that the water companies can keep supporting their requirements"........
Ken's statement is absolutely spot on, i'm afraid!
"My best mate works for the enviroment agency in the flooding department, and he told me the other day that the official stance of the enviroment agency is that they would see the water companies satified with the amount of water they need before they will be concerned with the the river levels. He said if push came to shove the rivers would be allowed to dry up so that the water companies can keep supporting their requirements"........
Ken's statement is absolutely spot on, i'm afraid!
Tone Smith
Senior Member
What's that then? Like customers and everything else that uses water?
Really bizarre situation. If the water companies were to say, ok, no water to anyone on Saturday, do you think people would accept it?
I love the way that everyone's got a gripe to toss in to the pot, but you never hear of suggestions to ease the problem? Why is that i wonder? Anything to do with people not having a clue of how big the problem is and no idea of the fix required?
No?
just carry on with the "we want more water" view, and then you'll be happy in your moaning and remain ignorant of any viable fact to do with the situation.
David Gauntlett
Senior Member
Do enlighten us all with your wisdom and 'viable facts' then Tone. I assume after that general battering of everyone else for voicing their concerns that you DO know all the answers?
Cheers, Dave.
Tone Smith
Senior Member
No Dave, i don't have all the answers. Neither do i profess to.
But what i also don't do, is sit in judgement, or criticise those who at least work, or try to help resolve these issues.
Why does the water come out of the rivers, boreholes and other sources in the first place, and why is so much taken?
Because the same people who moan, complain and gripe are normally the ones who excessively use the water! Why is there a shortage in the first place?
There should have been enough in borehole and under abstraction licences to supply peoples needs. Please notice the word needs, and not wants, or requirements.
In the vast majority of cases there is no possible correlation between need and want. How much conservation do you practice? Or do you think it's everyone else's job to save it and it's ok for you to use it? Do you make a token effort, like turning the tap off when you brush your teeth and getting your kids to do the same, or do you try and save it everywhere? Like water butts, always showers and no baths? Turn the shower off while you're soaping up?
Wash your car? Water your garden every day? Have to have green grass?
People can be so hypocritical ( not suggesting you are), when it comes to preservation. It's ok for everyone else, but not them.
Ever thought how much water the water companies put INTO the rivers? Not many people do, because that's a good thing, so let's just overlook that.
There is enough water, but people need to remember what the essential uses of it are and stop the whining and whinging about the extra's that they can't do. Lets stop the farmers from using so much... then you can complain about not having so much fresh food. Let's stop the water companies from taking it, then you can all moan that you haven't got any water.
There seems to be a quintessential requirement amongst the majority of British people to moan or complain about everything, or anything.
How would they cope in other parts of the world where there are genuine shortages of the essentials?
People don't know when they're well off and both greed, and luxury drives them to always want more. Tough.
But what i also don't do, is sit in judgement, or criticise those who at least work, or try to help resolve these issues.
Why does the water come out of the rivers, boreholes and other sources in the first place, and why is so much taken?
Because the same people who moan, complain and gripe are normally the ones who excessively use the water! Why is there a shortage in the first place?
There should have been enough in borehole and under abstraction licences to supply peoples needs. Please notice the word needs, and not wants, or requirements.
In the vast majority of cases there is no possible correlation between need and want. How much conservation do you practice? Or do you think it's everyone else's job to save it and it's ok for you to use it? Do you make a token effort, like turning the tap off when you brush your teeth and getting your kids to do the same, or do you try and save it everywhere? Like water butts, always showers and no baths? Turn the shower off while you're soaping up?
Wash your car? Water your garden every day? Have to have green grass?
People can be so hypocritical ( not suggesting you are), when it comes to preservation. It's ok for everyone else, but not them.
Ever thought how much water the water companies put INTO the rivers? Not many people do, because that's a good thing, so let's just overlook that.
There is enough water, but people need to remember what the essential uses of it are and stop the whining and whinging about the extra's that they can't do. Lets stop the farmers from using so much... then you can complain about not having so much fresh food. Let's stop the water companies from taking it, then you can all moan that you haven't got any water.
There seems to be a quintessential requirement amongst the majority of British people to moan or complain about everything, or anything.
How would they cope in other parts of the world where there are genuine shortages of the essentials?
People don't know when they're well off and both greed, and luxury drives them to always want more. Tough.
Rhys Perry
Senior Member
I think Tone that most are moaning about the lack of leak fixing and the ridiculous bonuses being paid out, no one that I see is complaining about a hosepipe ban, if it is genuinely needed.
I think a good start would be to spend some of that bonus money on fixing the leaks that account for the 3.3billion litres of water lost every day. But we can't be eating into the company's profits now can we!
I think a good start would be to spend some of that bonus money on fixing the leaks that account for the 3.3billion litres of water lost every day. But we can't be eating into the company's profits now can we!
David Hall
Senior Member
well, i am water careful, i have now a full 200ltr water butt and haven't washed my car for 3 months and won't all summer now, i use a short cycle on the washing machine and careful with baths and showers.
shame others are not.
shame others are not.