Flooding and drought?

[Stephen Whyte]

Maybe we should open a "what really happened in the Kennedy shooting"

Everybody "knows" Oswald did that.

Tone, to me your post backs up what others are saying with your comment about supply and demand. How do people do without water? If someone contols the supply of an absolute basic essential they can charge what they like, or maybe i'm just being nieve in believing that they would put profit first. If i have misunderstood your post, you have my apologies.

Stephen

 

[Justin Simms]

Unfortunately water is an inelastic commodity so we are bugge*** either way!

 

[David Hall]

it's raining...lol
but looking at the EA's website on water levels, interesting looking at the Hampshire Avon, a big spike and a big drop, talk about up and down.

 

[Ray Walton]

That's because they have opened up all the weirs and run the excess water out to sea...quicker, as we have been saying.... and not held it back to naturaly spill over the banks and flood the 'natural water meadows'... where it should go!

 

[Graham Elliott]

Tone. Regards your comment.

"The only people raping this country of it's heritage are those who think they have no part of the responsibility."

I am assuming you mean foreign investors?


Graham

 

[Howard Hutchins]

Heritage

The only people raping this country of it's heritage are those who think they have no part of the responsibility.
Absolutely pathetic. Really.

Sod heritage,that means living in the past,i dont want to get my water from a well,
or boil it after getting a bucket from the river,nor do i fancy shooting a rabbit for my
dinner.

My water bill costs less a year than what most folk pay for thier sky sattelite TV,
and a lot less than i pay to insure my car,per annum,get real,and be gratefull you
dont live in Africa,where you could die just quenching your thirst or bathing in the river.

My washing machine is on at the mo,just had a hot bath,and time to make my
5th cup of tea of the morning...............

 

[David Hall]

The only people raping this country of it's heritage are those who think they have no part of the responsibility.
Absolutely pathetic. Really.

Sod heritage,that means living in the past,i dont want to get my water from a well,
or boil it after getting a bucket from the river,nor do i fancy shooting a rabbit for my
dinner.

My water bill costs less a year than what most folk pay for thier sky sattelite TV,
and a lot less than i pay to insure my car,per annum,get real,and be gratefull you
dont live in Africa,where you could die just quenching your thirst or bathing in the river.

My washing machine is on at the mo,just had a hot bath,and time to make my
5th cup of tea of the morning...............

you need a meter...

 

[Damian Kimmins]

I didn't realise the link between the water table and how much certain weirs may be open was as close as some are suggesting.
The EA are responsible for managing flood risk, amongst other things, and Thames Water are responsible for the supply of our drinking water and dealing with our waste water, depending of course on where you live.

It's madness to suggest some conspiracy theory based on paranoid misgivings. In fact, I'm surprised I didn't come up with it myself.


Damian

 

[Chris Guy]

Well, whether we like it or not, sooner or later every home in the country will be metered. The stuff is in short supply and too many people don't use it in a responsible way.

 

[Ray Walton]

I think you'll find that ''every' household in the country will be compulsory metered by 2025, whether you want one or not! There you go! That is the plan!
You don't think that foreign profit seeking Water Companies are spending £millions and £millions to put in 'free' water meters in every household as a gift to make a loss do you, especially with less water being used! Get real.
The only EA flood risk strategy on the Avon below Salisbury Damian, is to stop the natural water meadows/flood plains having water on them, to protect farmers commercial interests in trying to dry them out... and not anything to do with houses/property, bar a few at Breamore!

 

[Damian Kimmins]

Yes, of course, and the cessation of mechanical weed cutting, as funded by the EA, is evidence of that isn't it?

What do you think OFWAT's role is in the industry, Ray?

Damian

 

[Richard Parsons]

Isn't OFWAT a QUANGO? (please excuse the acronyms)..... and, therefore, who appoints OFWAT? Why, unless I'm mistaken, it's the government.

It ought to be in the Old Testament; 'money begat money'. We're being shafted, slowly and very painfully. In my humble opinion, of course.

 

[Ray Walton]

Quite funny that..When the EA did mechanically cut the weed to drop the water level and drain the water meadows in late pring, summer and autumn for the farmers benefit, they kept all the weirs 'closed' for some reason! They could have just opened the weirs in the first place to drop the water level without cutting the weed, like at Somerley/Ibsley where everything is controlled properley and no mechanical weed cutting!
In my opinion, the deliberate closing of the weirs 'falsely' raised the river level in 'low' flows and levels to the point where it gave the EA justifcation to cut! Specific gauges were monitored by the farmers and not the EA. A call to the EA from the farmers and a step in the field by an EA official to see if errr.. the natural water meadow was unnaturally WET was the protocal to cut.

Not totally sure regarding Ofwat on who's side they are really on, to tell you the truth. My dealings with them on a few occassions has been pro-water company and not the public or with no concern of river environment and its fish and wildlife!...or where and who the water is sold too!

 

[Stephen Whyte]

Isn't OFWAT a QUANGO? (please excuse the acronyms)..... and, therefore, who appoints OFWAT? Why, unless I'm mistaken, it's the government.

It ought to be in the Old Testament; 'money begat money'. We're being shafted, slowly and very painfully. In my humble opinion, of course.

Not even using KY anymore, maybe its water based.

 

[David Gauntlett]

Not even using KY anymore, maybe its water based.

I think it's just that there is a shortage of KY Stephen, caused by the fact that the government has commandeered the lot to ease the passage of all the new 'austerity measures' they announce almost daily. Strangely, when all these measures are analysed by independent economists, they ALWAYS seem to be affecting the lower paid and pensioners more than the wealthy. Now who would have thought that from a Tory government, especially one that keeps spouting about 'How shocked they are at the extent to which the wealthy are engaged in tax avoidance' . Never mind, they promise they are going to 'do something about it', and I am jolly sure they are an honest lot. Oh....hold on....the're MPs aren't they? Weren't MPs in general the lot who were fiddling their expense accounts a while back, with some going to prison as a result? Oh dear....not sure who to turn to for help in that case

Maybe I am just being pessimistic and cynical, surely they know what they are doing, and it will all be good in the end On the other hand, our dearly beloved George Osbourne 'lent' the IMF another £10,000,000,000 the other day, bringing the total we have 'lent' them to bail out failing European economies to £40,000,000,000. This without going back to the house for consultations, and in face of screams from even his own party that it was 'throwing good money after bad'. Two days after he did this, it was announced that our economy had dropped back into the dreaded 'double dip' recession, and was now in a very parlous state indeed. Which of course means there will need to be MORE austerity measures, which of course will be tailored to hit the poorest members of our society....and the rich will get richer, because they will be reaping the massive profits from the utility companies they run, amongst the many other rip off's and other delights they specialise in.

Do I see any hope that THIS government will notice the plight of our rivers, will spot the apparent madness of the bodies running them, and do something about it? Does anybody believe that? Send your answers on toilet paper please, so that they at least will serve some purpose

Cheers, Dave.

 

[Stephen Whyte]

I think it's just that there is a shortage of KY Stephen, caused by the fact that the government has commandeered the lot to ease the passage of all the new 'austerity measures' they announce almost daily. Strangely, when all these measures are analysed by independent economists, they ALWAYS seem to be affecting the lower paid and pensioners more than the wealthy. Now who would have thought that from a Tory government, especially one that keeps spouting about 'How shocked they are at the extent to which the wealthy are engaged in tax avoidance' . Never mind, they promise they are going to 'do something about it', and I am jolly sure they are an honest lot. Oh....hold on....the're MPs aren't they? Weren't MPs in general the lot who were fiddling their expense accounts a while back, with some going to prison as a result? Oh dear....not sure who to turn to for help in that case

Maybe I am just being pessimistic and cynical, surely they know what they are doing, and it will all be good in the end On the other hand, our dearly beloved George Osbourne 'lent' the IMF another £10,000,000,000 the other day, bringing the total we have 'lent' them to bail out failing European economies to £40,000,000,000. This without going back to the house for consultations, and in face of screams from even his own party that it was 'throwing good money after bad'. Two days after he did this, it was announced that our economy had dropped back into the dreaded 'double dip' recession, and was now in a very parlous state indeed. Which of course means there will need to be MORE austerity measures, which of course will be tailored to hit the poorest members of our society....and the rich will get richer, because they will be reaping the massive profits from the utility companies they run, amongst the many other rip off's and other delights they specialise in.

Do I see any hope that THIS government will notice the plight of our rivers, will spot the apparent madness of the bodies running them, and do something about it? Does anybody believe that? Send your answers on toilet paper please, so that they at least will serve some purpose

Cheers, Dave.

Think your wrong there David, there is no shortage of KY. With this "double dip" stuff they have realised that it is more cost effective to lubricate us with their Bull****.

Stephen

 

[Stuart Brookes]

I would not be suprised if our river water supply is also being syphoned off to supply foreign coutries like in the middle east, via empty 'skin lined' holds in the Oil Tankers (Ships) after they the off-loaded the oil at UK docks! Makes sense not to go back empty! The other way is to fill the tankers ballast tanks with fresh water instead of the norm sea water!
It is legal! and aptly named 'Blue Gold' for 'Black Gold' exchange and deals!

Sorry to go on about this again but this is legally not possible under International Conventions of which the UK is a signatory. It is not permissible to carry water in any cargo tank that has held oil and also due to the density of fresh water being 1 Kg/Litre and normal sea water having a density of 1.025 KG/litre then over 40-50,000 tons of ballast the vessel would probably have insufficient space to use fresh water. Int'l Convention also now dictates that a vessel must change it's ballast in segregated ballast tanks a minimum of four times on a voyage of the length of UK to Middle East to reduce the risk of invasive species, such as mitten crabs, being carried from one area to another. There are actually very few places in the UK that A Very Large Crude Carrier, VLCC, can berth in the UK and none possess more than sufficient facilities than to load the vessels with potable water for the crews consumption generally direct from a water main.
If you want to stop worrying about water supply come a little further North, I don't think Kielder Dam ever drops in level a great deal unless for operational purposes and many local reservoirs are actually releasing excess water at present.

 

[Mike Webb]

It would be interesting if anyone who lived near one of these drought hit resevoirs could post up a picture as they look now compared to a month ago. I realise that rain takes longer to replenish the aquifer in the 'summertime' as an official on the news at ten has just put it, but I don't know about you lot but it doesn't feel a lot like summertime where I live (Wirral) and it's barely stopped raining for about two weeks now.
Isn't it a golden rule of business to create a sense of scarcity, be it X-boxes that can't get into the country quickly enough, or iphones, or fuel....or water.
cheers

 

[Ray Walton]

The Wrong type of Rain

As a water company official mentioned on TV yesterday evening...

errrr... It's the wrong type of rain! Oh my God!

Don't you just expect it nowadays when they are so inefficient and wasteful.

Why are the water companies not getting out there capturing the excess rain water from the rivers, piping/pumping it to the empty reservoirs or filling up their bloody water tankers...to save the water like we are told to do?
It is the Wettest Drought in history, so they say!

Mike Webb Quote:
"Isn't it a golden rule of business to create a sense of scarcity, be it X-boxes that can't get into the country quickly enough, or iphones, or fuel....or water".
Spot on with that Mike, and i think the public are begining to cotton on to the Water Companies games and master plan! ...Top marks!

 

[Tone Smith]

For those of you that are as concerned as the points being made here, why don't you swap to bottled water for your needs? It's manginally more expensive, slightly less good for you (although not bad) and conserves what we have.

Stop drinking and they'll stop supplying. Isn't that what you want?

Wrong type of rain. Ok, not for one second do i believe you didn't understand the inferrence, but just to help ( as simply as i can) - If i offered to give you all the fuel that you wanted for a year in one go, would you say yes? Ok, i'll stand your car in a field and fill it up......... And then keep the filling going, despite all the flooding over the field, until you had had a years quota. What have you got? (other than a polluted field that'll run off into the river and poison everything etc etc). A full car and a field full of petrol evaporating, diluting and soaking away. Ummmm. oh God, the same as water does.

Legal point - Water is free. You can have as much as you like
However, if you want it collected, treated, delivered, surplus taken away etc, i'm afraid you have to pay. Bummer, i know. But there we have it.

Point, and ethos of metering - if everyone is metered then everyone pays for what they use, rather that collectively pay for what all the unmetered properties use. Bizarre that, only paying for you own consumption rather than paying for people who think they can use as much as they want. What a concept!!!

Or perhaps that's a conspiracy as well?

Some very vaild points being made, in my humble opinion. Some, maybe not so.

Great to talk again Mr Elliott. Hope you are well.

NB: heritage does not mean living in the past at all.