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Can Man Live by Braid Alone.......

I thought there was some debate about not using braid as, because of being of lower diameter and at high tension breaking strains, it can act a bit like a cheese wire and be risk to cutting fish - particularly if wrapped around with the bigger ones that exert more force. Isn't it a bit of a no-no on some waters. The springiness of a mono main line will perhaps mean the tension never gets so great as to cut into the fish if wrapped around?

I've caught fish that had marks that could correspond to braid cuts more than anything else but am no expert.

This is a question by the way - not an accusation or criticism of anyone that uses it.

Cheers

Great post from Keith Spear on another thread while I'm posting. Like the story about chub

under the road on the Colne!

I have used braided mainline for years and never seen a problem of a cutting issue in fish. If there is a problem it makes more sense that the problem is with braided hooklinks than mainline.
I did use standard power pro but about this time last year I bought some PP super 8slick from the States and havent looked back. Superior in all aspects.
 
I have used braided mainline for years and never seen a problem of a cutting issue in fish. If there is a problem it makes more sense that the problem is with braided hooklinks than mainline.
I did use standard power pro but about this time last year I bought some PP super 8slick from the States and havent looked back. Superior in all aspects.

My experiences also.....
Cheers
Bob
 
I thought there was some debate about not using braid as, because of being of lower diameter and at high tension breaking strains, it can act a bit like a cheese wire and be risk to cutting fish - particularly if wrapped around with the bigger ones that exert more force. Isn't it a bit of a no-no on some waters. The springiness of a mono main line will perhaps mean the tension never gets so great as to cut into the fish if wrapped around?

I've caught fish that had marks that could correspond to braid cuts more than anything else but am no expert.

This is a question by the way - not an accusation or criticism of anyone that uses it.

Cheers

Great post from Keith Spear on another thread while I'm posting. Like the story about chub under the road on the Colne!
There was an article on the web a while back from the boss of Kryston explaining why braid is safe, provided that it is used correctly. One of the key points (from memory) was that mainline braid and hooklength braid are different. The hooklengths flatten against the fish preventing the braid from becoming cheesewire, whereas mainline braid doesn't. So it's imperative that you use proper good-quality hooklength braid.

It was an interesting piece, I'll see if I can find a link
 
I thought there was some debate about not using braid as, because of being of lower diameter and at high tension breaking strains, it can act a bit like a cheese wire and be risk to cutting fish - particularly if wrapped around with the bigger ones that exert more force. Isn't it a bit of a no-no on some waters. The springiness of a mono main line will perhaps mean the tension never gets so great as to cut into the fish if wrapped around?

I've caught fish that had marks that could correspond to braid cuts more than anything else but am no expert.

This is a question by the way - not an accusation or criticism of anyone that uses it.

Cheers

Great post from Keith Spear on another thread while I'm posting. Like the story about chub under the road on the Colne!



I think this post is a good example of how incorrect opinions and concerns can exist and prosper, possibly to the confusion of other anglers visiting the site and looking for advice and guidance. Not only that but it can affect all anglers when the same incorrect opinions take on the status of truth and get enshrined into club rules by committee members who willingly give up their time but who may not necessarily be knowledgeable. In the absence of evidence based physical analysis all we have to go on is our personal experiences. However as these experiences have been duplicated by hundreds of experienced anglers over an extended period then they are statistically likely to be correct. It is this logic that I believe enables me to make the statement that using braid mainline (and in my experience braid hook lengths as well) does absolutely no harm to the fish whatsoever. It really annoys me when I have club rules imposed on me that are as a result of ignorance and not evidence and the banning of braid is a prime example although there are countless others. Remember there are still anglers out there who not only believe that Tench are doctor fish (utter rubbish) but they pass their “wisdom†on to others and so help to perpetuate yet another angling myth

Richard
 
I think this post is a good example of how incorrect opinions and concerns can exist and prosper, possibly to the confusion of other anglers visiting the site and looking for advice and guidance. Not only that but it can affect all anglers when the same incorrect opinions take on the status of truth and get enshrined into club rules by committee members who willingly give up their time but who may not necessarily be knowledgeable. In the absence of evidence based physical analysis all we have to go on is our personal experiences. However as these experiences have been duplicated by hundreds of experienced anglers over an extended period then they are statistically likely to be correct. It is this logic that I believe enables me to make the statement that using braid mainline (and in my experience braid hook lengths as well) does absolutely no harm to the fish whatsoever. It really annoys me when I have club rules imposed on me that are as a result of ignorance and not evidence and the banning of braid is a prime example although there are countless others. Remember there are still anglers out there who not only believe that Tench are doctor fish (utter rubbish) but they pass their “wisdom” on to others and so help to perpetuate yet another angling myth

Richard

I think your spot on Richard in the sense that all' facts 'about the pros and cons for braid/mono/fluro are not scientifically proven, but are based on anglers experience , and, as David Gauntlett pointed out , an anglers confidence , i.e. braid is best because it has never let me down ergo it has to be superior to other lines . This said , and accepting that all these opinions are just that , I think braid hooklengths do damage fish by the cheesewire effect , and I have caught a number of barbel with nasty flank and fin damage which I believe is down to braid , I cannot prove that though . I have used braid , and the feedback you get is sensational , it is brilliant for touch ledgering . BUT , there is always that concern that it is going to snap / abraid way below the stated breaking strain, hence the reason why people routinely buy the stuff way above the B.S.that they need to be'' on the safe side ''. A line with that degree of uncertainty is not for me , either as mainline or hooklength .

As for the curative power of the tench , trying rubbing one on a wound , you would be amazed :D I bet you can't disprove it ....
 
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I think this post is a good example of how incorrect opinions and concerns can exist and prosper, possibly to the confusion of other anglers visiting the site and looking for advice and guidance. Not only that but it can affect all anglers when the same incorrect opinions take on the status of truth and get enshrined into club rules by committee members who willingly give up their time but who may not necessarily be knowledgeable. In the absence of evidence based physical analysis all we have to go on is our personal experiences. However as these experiences have been duplicated by hundreds of experienced anglers over an extended period then they are statistically likely to be correct. It is this logic that I believe enables me to make the statement that using braid mainline (and in my experience braid hook lengths as well) does absolutely no harm to the fish whatsoever. It really annoys me when I have club rules imposed on me that are as a result of ignorance and not evidence and the banning of braid is a prime example although there are countless others. Remember there are still anglers out there who not only believe that Tench are doctor fish (utter rubbish) but they pass their “wisdom†on to others and so help to perpetuate yet another angling myth

Richard

Richard,

If you look back through the archives you will find a number of discussions about braid vs mainline. Many opinions from both camps, what I find with many questions on here nowadays is that many of the longer term members have done these discussions to death in the past so do not bother responding. In effect, what you have got is a small sample of the pro-braid camp responding, hardly a basis for the statement you make above!!

It would appear that the only reason you asked the question was because a club you are a member of has imposed a braid ban, is that correct? In which case, instead of asking the question, when it was clear from the original post that you were more interested in making your own opinion heard than listening to that of anyone else, you should have stated your grievance and asked opinions of that!!

For the record, I used Powerpro for my barbel fishing for about 4 years when feeder fishing, when I went back to fishing leads I found my results were poor, switched back to mono and they went up significantly. For that reason I stopped using Braid for Barbel fishing, I do pretty much use it for all my pike fishing, but use it in heavy BS, like 60 - 80lb to ensure the diameter is sufficiently high to avoid cheese wire type problems as much as possible.

I most certainly would not use it on a rocky river as it only has to look at a rock and it is severed, from experience.
 
Without agreeing or disagreeing with you Richard I find your comments a little arrogant and confrontational. You don't know everything. It's a discussion not a lecture.
 
Firstly it is not reasonable to ask me to read previous posts before posting on any subject….it would simply take too long. Secondly, we could have a discussion on whether the sun orbits the earth or vice versa and everybody would have an opinion. Opinions are fine but they are a problem when they get in the way of facts. We teach rubbish to our children regarding creation in schools based on belief and opinion when the cast iron scientific facts show us that these teachings cannot be correct. It is when non evidence based doctrine gets in the way of increasing our knowledge of the world around us that I despair.

I would never indulge in any angling practise that damaged fish just because it put more of them on the bank. My personal experience with braid has left me in no doubt that it is superior to mono and that it does not damage fish. Others here agree with me, some do not. My wish is only to share my experience and knowledge in an evidence based way to assist others in getting more out of the sport; if that makes me arrogant then I am happy to be guilty as charged.

Richard
 
Richard- in this context, the "facts" are peoples's experiences. You will not get a pure answer I am affraid. I have found people on this forum more than happy to share their experiences which is great. How I choose to apply what I hear is down to me. If you have a strong view about braid and the confidence you have in its use then that's great and so use it and enjoy your fishing. I am not sure there is merit in trying to bash us all over the head with your analysis. At best you will just alienate people.
 
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Richard,

If you look back through the archives you will find a number of discussions about braid vs mainline. Many opinions from both camps, what I find with many questions on here nowadays is that many of the longer term members have done these discussions to death in the past so do not bother responding. In effect, what you have got is a small sample of the pro-braid camp responding, hardly a basis for the statement you make above!!

It would appear that the only reason you asked the question was because a club you are a member of has imposed a braid ban, is that correct? In which case, instead of asking the question, when it was clear from the original post that you were more interested in making your own opinion heard than listening to that of anyone else, you should have stated your grievance and asked opinions of that!!

For the record, I used Powerpro for my barbel fishing for about 4 years when feeder fishing, when I went back to fishing leads I found my results were poor, switched back to mono and they went up significantly. For that reason I stopped using Braid for Barbel fishing, I do pretty much use it for all my pike fishing, but use it in heavy BS, like 60 - 80lb to ensure the diameter is sufficiently high to avoid cheese wire type problems as much as possible.

I most certainly would not use it on a rocky river as it only has to look at a rock and it is severed, from experience.

Great post. I could go on but can't be bothered! :) Let's just say braided mainline is not for me, not while barbel fishing anyway.
 
Immanuel Kant published the Critique of Pure Reason in 1781. His aim is to determine the limits and scope of pure reason. That is, he wants to know what reason alone can determine without the help of the senses or any other faculties. Metaphysicians make grand claims about the nature of reality based on pure reason alone, but these claims often conflict with one another. Furthermore, Kant is prompted by Hume’s skepticism to doubt the very possibility of metaphysics.

Kant draws two important distinctions: between analytic and synthetic judgments. A particular knowledge we gain from experience, versus the necessary and universal knowledge we have independent of experience. For instance, the judgment “all swans are white†is synthetic because whiteness is not a part of the concept of “swan†(a black swan would still be a swan even though it isn’t white), even if the experience of one (in the late 1700s) was to have only ever seen white swans that doesn't prove that all swans in the 1700s were white.

I'll get my coat.
 
I'm totally confused now !! Never used braid mainline and at the start of this thread I was thinking I might give it a go but I wondered how long it would be before the fish damage issue came up as it always has done before on this forum. If I knew for certain it can damage fish then of course it's a no no but does also seem to be inconclusive. Has anyone using braid ever landed a barbel and seen damage just caused during the fight ? surely if it was common one of you would have ? Seems to me it's bait like the barbless hook debate, personally I can not believe they cause more damage to a fish's moth than a barbed one ?
 
Cliff i have useda braided mainline for a good few seasons now and never had or seen any damage to a fish!!!! I have also caught fish on a braided hooklink and have never seen any mouth damage to a fish!! But i am talking about a braided hooklink meant for purpose!! I have never used a braided mainline as a hooklink material so cannot comment on this!:)
 
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