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Thats a very good point chris which is why we would benefit more if a independent organisation could be formed that represented the enviroment and not business or profit..I think enventually that will happen but probably not in my life time and probably when rivers are critical..:(
 
Thats a very good point chris which is why we would benefit more if a independent organisation could be formed that represented the enviroment and not business or profit..I think enventually that will happen but probably not in my life time and probably when rivers are critical..:(

The problem with that would be that they could shout as loud as they wanted but would be peeing in the wind. The demands of big business and the general population would come first.
 
Come on Craig, that last sentence was a little dramatic. The rivers are far from critical. One thing that never ceased to amaze me when inspecting watercourses after a pollution event was the ability of nature to bounce back. This is not a defence to allow rivers to decline, but they will never be in such poor quality as yesteryear.

Cheers, Jon
 
I also think that under the present ways why should anglers pick up the bill to maintain a natural commodity?after all were not the ones damaging it..surely the ones causing the damage should be picking the bill up?..;)
 
John what i meant about critical is the ever increasing population will need more water which most of it will come from rivers and if the current waste levels carry on the rivers will be in a critical state.:eek:
 
Come on Craig, that last sentence was a little dramatic. The rivers are far from critical. One thing that never ceased to amaze me when inspecting watercourses after a pollution event was the ability of nature to bounce back. This is not a defence to allow rivers to decline, but they will never be in such poor quality as yesteryear.

Cheers, Jon

A little dramatic, well maybe regards a few rivers but certainly not my local one.
I've tried to scan fish census results from the Cherwell, sadly not that reader friendly and yes I know they are only an indicator of fish populations.
The figures are total fish bio-mass grams per square metre of water:

2002 2003 2004 2005 2006
Spiceball park 29.1 27.1 21.2 6.2 2.1
M40 roadbridge 21.4 26.8 5.2 28.8 7.4
Twyford mill 33.3 32.5 27.6 30.4 18.0
Nell Bridge 3.0 3.35 43.8 0.2 2.5
Somerton 4.57 15.2 23.3 8.3 4.9
Lower Heyford *** ***19.7 22.1 31.0
Gosford bridge 42.4 53.6 33.5 13.4 33.5
Islip 55.6 33.1 34.2 8.6 17.1

Strange though, no more EA fish census surveys to be conducted at one of the worst stocked areas (Northbrook), apparently it wasn't upto the EA's health and safety directive.

Thing is the river doesn't really have many issues not being faced by a lot of other rivers, only these issues each impact and compound each other and the EA do NOTHING to rectify them.
Abstraction by Thames Water, well yes we all need water but nothing is said about TW's pipe network leaking 40%+ of all water they abstract, oh no they rather send out leaflets telling consumers to be more prudent with their usage.

The area has seen a 15% population increase over the past decade, so more water abstracted and more sewage discharged with less water to dilute into.

British Waterways manage/own the canal that runs parallel with the river and abstract water completely unmeasured or regulated, to the point last summer the Cherwell ceased to flow over one weir at Nellbridge, so strictly speaking the river from Nellbridge to Enslow 15 miles downstream (where the river and canal next meet) is in fact the Sor Brook.

Then at the end of the river and canal's length of mergence (the Wides) the canal yet again is left to use at will any amount of water regardless of the rivers needs.
Though of course BW's being a public owned organisation puts the environment at the fore of its considerations (well so they tell me).
Also as they point out all to quickly, they are currently exempt from abstraction licensing under the Water Resources Act (1991 s26) BUT never fear the EA has the 2003 Water Act in its armoury, only seven years on the legal team at the EA has yet to work out how this parliamentary act is to be used.

You maybe asking (like my local fisheries officer) why is the canal's abstraction such an issue, as when a river has to work with a depleted quantity of water, they evolve very quickly to this burden.
Yes they do but this burden is only for aproximately 7 - 8 months of the year, co-incidently the seasons of poor rainfall, so natural period of poor flow rates.
Couple this with the turbid water that flows back into the river at locks, you're left with a murky river that has very little water in the warmer part of the year, impacting dramatically on weed growth, invertibrates and fish stocks.

If I were of a cynical disposition, I may suggest after contacting Natural England regards my concerns, the EA and BW, getting a common response of the EA are responsible for that area of the environment.... blah....blah....
That it is a simple case of quangos looking after each other.

It could be said that the EA as an organisation is weak or toothless but IMO the powers that be in that organisation are blatantly cowardly.
Ever reliant on the good will and humility of their staff in the field.

BUT what alternative???
(probably Natural England?)
 
Craig...I think you may find that at least a third of the Hampshire Avon river water abstraction is 'not' used for the Hampshire/Dorset drinking water supply at all. It is sold on to a 'private' customer and turned into....Steam. It is worth approximately £6million a year to the supplier.
The EA issue the Abstraction licenses as well as the others mentioned!
 
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Another bit of recent info for Craig and others.
Weedcutting by EA type mechanical boat was carried out last Thursday on the Royalty Fishery upstream of the Parlour Pool owned by the Bournemouth & West Hampshire Water Co. The EA+NE seemingly authorised this destruction but did not carry out the weed cut themselves. This was done by BWHWC contractors with help from their staff and is an annual event.
100% of the SSSI protected Ranunculus weed was cut out bank to bank and removed from the river, dumped onto trucks and taken away, thus leaving no cover or sanctuary for any fish, fish fry or wildfowl etc.
Unwittingly but fortunately, the weed cutting boat accidently encountered, exposed and chopped up one of the BWHWC authorised Eel Trappers Fyke nets in the process:eek:, that had possibly been set in the last eel close season without BWHWC knowledge. As reported and mentioned earlier on BFW, two other ‘out of season’ eel Fyke nets found in March and contained dead barbel, roach, gudgeon etc which were promptly removed from the river by the BWHWC/EA, and consequently the Eel Trapper received a formal written warning from the EA and was not prosecuted.
I also reported to the EA at the time that other 'Out of Season' Fyke nets had probably been set upstream of the ones found, but this was ignored and remained unchecked by the EA.
This latest one was removed from the river by the BWHWC quickly and placed behind a fence on their property and to which I was told that the EA would not be informed of this.
 
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Thats not good ray..I agree that weed cutting needs to be done but not using those destructive machines..theres nothing wrong with the traditional way..its about time those machines were banned and only the trditional way allowed.;)
 
Just find a Brit willing to hand-scythe it... Hard work. I did a week of it as a very fit teenager, and did my back, neck, shoulders and arms know it...
 
Just find a Brit willing to hand-scythe it... Hard work. I did a week of it as a very fit teenager, and did my back, neck, shoulders and arms know it...

Paul, I'd say Brits have never really been overly keen on performing such tasks, in recent times we've had Asian Commonwealth migrants and of late an influx of EE's has seen us 'alright'....... next, probably Africa will offer the goods (again;))

Good point Craig and if/when the labour gap is filled, not only more environmentally friendly also undoubtedly cheaper!
BUT economics has never and will never be a strong point for government agencies.:rolleyes:
 
Just find a Brit willing to hand-scythe it... Hard work. I did a week of it as a very fit teenager, and did my back, neck, shoulders and arms know it...
if someone would pay me, I'll do it, even at 40,i could do with losing a few pounds, sounds like heaven, hard work sets you free...:D
 
hard work sets you free...:D


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QUOTE David Hall: "how unpleasant , Paul, my thoughts were right about you all along. what a dickhead you are."

Got your reference at once, Dave Hall - and you, clearly, having been "Gotcha"-ed, didn't like my pictorial reply.
 
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