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When did Barbel fishing change?

Chris Jones said:
No problem with that, I'm sure that applies to the majority. However, that's not what I was getting at. So many people can't see the shades in the middle. They seem to need to apply "floppy hat" or "carbeller" to everyone without allowing for the shades between. Most will use either extreme or somewhere in the middle as required. See me fishing on the Trent and I'm sure I fit the carbeller tag. Elsewhere it won't be so clear cut. Occasionally, I'll be closer to "floppy hat". Rarely would carbeller be appropriate. Mostly it'll be somewhere in between.
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Somewhere in between , a ''flopeller'' perhaps :)
 
I think we are getting mistaken by the way we fish for barbel, yes i admit to Carbelling on the Trent, i have also been known just to fish the one rod in the traditional barbel style, or run a topper float down the inside line all have caught lots of barbel for me this season so far on the Trent. The only reason i fish different methods is to get the best from my peg and conditions at the time. Just like the majority of anglers on here. I know from some of the posts that there has been a bit of objection to the Big river style carbelling that some of us choose to do, but its just a style of barbel fishing to me, to get the best from my peg. I look back to an article done by Duncan Charman in coarse angler or IYCF, he had an absolute nightmare when he came and fished the Tidal Trent, if he wasnt sponsored by a major tackle manufacturer he would have been bankrupt had he stayed any longer with the amount of tackle he lost. ''Poor guy should have done his homework, irresponsible the amount of tackle he left in the river''.
Any way this time Thursday i will be fishing the Trent Carbelling style in a torrent with 3 foot of extra water on with 6-8oz leads trying my damned hardest to get my 2011 account open. Then maybe friday doing a bit of roving on my local river in what i would call traditional the barbel style. I fish to the river i choose and the conditions i face and from this it deems which style will suffice on the day.

Jon
 
I might agree with Jon - its horses to courses. I use my big rods and leads to suit on the Tidal (and similarly large stretches).
However I must admit I dont like sleeping on a river bank (I leave that to the Carp Pits) - falling asleep while on the rod is another thing all together!
Other times might see me with a Cane+Pin roving or trundling or rotating swims. I dont have issue with any of these styles (or others) as long as fish care is maintained, dumping of bait (usually a counter-productive tactic) is not occurring, and the anglers have some respect for their surroundings and those who are fishing or due to fish.

I fish a technique according to the river, the stretch, the conditions and what floats my boat on any given day. As far as I can see (Barbel) Angling is and always has been changing.
 
Darryl Davis said:
I might agree with Jon - its horses to courses. I use my big rods and leads to suit on the Tidal (and similarly large stretches).
However I must admit I dont like sleeping on a river bank (I leave that to the Carp Pits) - falling asleep while on the rod is another thing all together!
Other times might see me with a Cane+Pin roving or trundling or rotating swims. I dont have issue with any of these styles (or others) as long as fish care is maintained, dumping of bait (usually a counter-productive tactic) is not occurring, and the anglers have some respect for their surroundings and those who are fishing or due to fish.

I fish a technique according to the river, the stretch, the conditions and what floats my boat on any given day. As far as I can see (Barbel) Angling is and always has been changing.
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IMO Darryl, bang on
 
just to be a bit different, i think i'll don a bowler sometime this year, fish rolled meat, with a ground bait bowl of the cheapest bait i can find....

.....'roller bowler bowl a penny a pint', style;)
 
Off thread a bit, first rod I used was step-brothers 10ft pike tank ariel matched with cheap Intrepid reel. Bag was a gas mask one cadged from dad, stool a wire small collapsing type. I wandered down field from our garden to a pit catching crussians & rudd with handful of maggots in tin and quill float...happy days...:). I live in Runcorn and said pit together with others now have houses on them...:(.
 
Jim Foxall said:
Eminently sensible comment. The same thing went through my mind, we wouldn't turn up at our chosen fishing venue in a Model T or even a Morris Minor, they are not as effecient as the modern cars. Either we wouldn't make it or not manage the trip home. I saw a photo of a steam engine in the DT yesterday and remember them running as a kid, the smell, the engineering the beauty, I'd love to see them back. Unfortunately, the soulless electric boxes are just more efficient. In terms of fishing nostalgia, I have yet to see a carper using a Richard Walker Mk 1V. I made my post on consigning centrepins to the snug wall a little tongue in cheek. My view is that we should use whatever artisan tools adds to our enjoyment just as long as it is not justified on the grounds of superiorty. I do like the hexagraphs as well and I'm sure that Andrew's hexagraphs will receive many an admiring glance on the bankside. If only a baitrunner could be made to look like a centrepin. Headgear - baseball caps just have the common touch, floppies have to be the best bet for those follicley challenged. Tilley Endurables are a good option, especially in duck cotton. I suppose that a Barbour baseball cap is just about acceptable, just as long as anyone in attendance is aware that it is a Barbour and not some dreadful thing made in China.
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I use a MK4 for most of my carping now. And I love em...
 
Tony Rocca said:
Some just dont get it Ade.
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You are right there, Tony. You are the fishing equivalent of the Hi-Fi "Flat-Earthers" and I don't get them either. However, that doesn't mean that I have any desire to stop you from doing what you do. I may look on the floppy hatters with mild amusement, even bemusement sometimes, but not mockery. Provided I'm afforded the same luxury, all is good.:)
 
my 4x4 is only 8, V8 SII Discovery Ambulance ;) but my last one was 18:p the one in the workshop, still working but only used on site so mo need for MOT or tax, is 41 years old in august and we've had it from 6 months old, still only 80k or so miles on it, just used for moving caravans and trailers around site

same goes for rods and reels, if it still works why stop using it, if you get new(er) stuff that does a job differently and maybe gives you a personal boost having it then nothing wrong there too. having stuff that does a ruthlessly efficient job (carbeling gear) has its place when used in the right circumstances. even ultra specialist and rare gear that does the job it's designed for, even if only used on special days or selected venues.

new methods and new tackle developments shouldn't be the be all and end all but they have a place, even if some of us prefer a more 'nostalgic' take on our fishing;)

mk1 baitrunner, coxon aeiral, LOL:D:D:D:D:D:D
 
Adrian Williams said:
I've got a 15 year old 4x4. Never let me down and a pin is the original baitrunner; it even has a built in alarm.
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I know this is not a competition but my 2A is 40years old and my centrepins about 45. Man and boy, ' Hardest game n the world ......', been fishing for barbel since 1960, or at least I think that's when I first caught one.

I'll get me coat, an ancient Barbour of course, dear boy and don't even mention silly hats.

As ever, and why not?


Hugo
 
I have decided to consult the 'oracle' on this subject of change in barbel fishing to see what it was like back in the day of 'Mr Crabtree and it reads

"Fishing for barbel is not what it was. It is not the quality which has changed. superb barbel fishing is still had in many places.
No it's the method that has changed. In more spacious days when some people at least had more money, barbel fishing was undertaken on the most expansive scale. a strict ritual was followed. first a vast supply of worms was bought. and the number used, many thousands, must even then been a great expense. Into the selected swim these were dumped, a huge mass of them, every morning for several days in advance of that chosen for the operation. If you were one of the really princely course-fishermen in which the period seemed to abound, you had a man to do this for you.He received the worms and deposited them in the swim. Your investment was made and the place of deposit marked with a ryepeck. That was the proper instrument. Then on the appointed day you arrived, unsullied by worm until this moment. perhaps you remained so.perhaps your man put the lobworm on the hook and dropped in the further mass of worms that started the fishing.
thenaccording to the proper order of things great sport was enjoyed. Quite often results did equal expectation, but there were many other occasions when the total reward for all the outlay of money and your man's effort was one roach"


so, apart from the bait being pellet, hemp and boilies, and not having 'a man' to throw it in for you, not much change then. LOL
 
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The Chairman on Thursday

Subject: You simply can't get the Lads any more



Oh, the tens of thousands of hand-picked Lobs required to fill all the clay-and-sand balls for a decent pre-baiting session!

I found a way to maintain standards, however - our FlyFisher Guests in The Cellars needed a bit of night-time fresh air and a break from the Castle treadmills...


As ever,

B.B.
 
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Jim Foxall said:
Eminently sensible comment.
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Jim, you are right of course - but as a bit of a floppy hatter myself, fishing is one aspect of my life where I choose to use very little sense at all. I like it that way, and catch the odd one or two along the way. Some say horses for courses and I agree with that, but my own mantra is more along the lines of 'whatever floats your boat'. No harm done either way!

best,

Jon
 
I hate wearing any sort of headgear, but I have found as per a recommendation on here a new head torch, that has a extendable lens for close up work...I have found the only way I can wear the thing is with a baseball cap without looking like a 3 eyed creature from the deep. My wardrobe contains no baseball caps, but I do have in the garage one with ' I LOVE FISHING' on the front that the girls over the road gave me and of course was never worn, or the slightly better option was to pinch one of my sons that has the Logo FCUK YOU'' or something, anyway it fits well and does well for the light, but please don't be offended if you should bump into me on the bank.
 
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