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The river closed season debate

I agree entirely Steve and yes if it were down to me I would like to see a reinstatement of the close season on lakes and canals. Given though that it would be a struggle I would in turn not be given to fighting a wrong with yet another.
 
I agree, and yet disagree Damian......

I agree that ideally I'd like to see the closed season re-introduced, but as its not going to happen, I dont see any point in keeping it on rivers, so abolish it.....(which is where I think we disagree ;))

Steve

PS, these views are mine, and not those of Kinver Freeliners AC.
 
Damian Kimmins said:
yes if it were down to me I would like to see a reinstatement of the close season on lakes and canals. Given though that it would be a struggle I would in turn not be given to fighting a wrong with yet another.
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What about my suggestion, seeing as its nigh on impossible to use maggots on the Wey, Windrush and Hamp Avon (certainly up towards Salisbury) without catching out of season brownies....
Similarly, its damned hard to avoid coarse fish on the fore mentioned rivers while fluff flinging for in-season trout during the coarse close season.

Care to comment?
 
Hi men ,

Colin :D , Ian Poole :D. I bumped into him a few times at Horseshoe . Once when the baliffs sent him round to see if I was dead !!!. I had turned up to do a winter session , and moved just before dark to showing fish . It was dark before I had spodded , and got the rods out , then turned round to put my stuff in the titain bivvi to find my sleeping bag missing . An hour of searching , then I gave up and put all the cloathing on that I had with me . It was chuffing cold , but I did both nights ;) , breed us tougher in Luton :eek:.

He popped round in the early morning frost , and jumped a mile when I jumped up :D, " bloody hell , we were all taking bets you were dead , frozen to the bed chair ":D. The bag was found in the lake down the bank , and took 2 of us to get it out , and a stream of water came from it for 2 days as it hung from a tree !

I aint a hyprocrite , if it was abolished I would be strait out. Carp from the Thames , or a lake , roach from Lynch hill or the Avon , all the same . I know someone who wants the closed season on river , yet catches spawny tench ?.


Hatter
 
Steve Williams said:
I agree, and yet disagree Damian......

I agree that ideally I'd like to see the closed season re-introduced, but as its not going to happen, I dont see any point in keeping it on rivers, so abolish it.....(which is where I think we disagree ;))

Steve

PS, these views are mine, and not those of Kinver Freeliners AC.
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I just don't understand the logic in that thinking though Steve.
We agree in the principle of the close season, and that if we could we'd have it reinstated on lakes and canals, but yet because we both realise that would be difficult, we should just give up on our principle altogether?
Idealism is something that I believe is a precursor of a detachment from reality and though most of us would like to have everything how we see it should be, it's folly to chase it, but we should not give up on the rationale that something is right or wrong.
We can, while abiding by our principles, still accept that what happens on the lakes and canals at this time of the year is wrong, there's no contradiction in what we do! We are not the responsible for the current law.

Like I say Colin, there are some things we must just accept.
 
Last year i was all for the abolishment of the closed season on rivers, however this year my views have changed from my own selfish views, and have turned more to the fishes welfare. All fish especially the larger specimens need a rest from us anglers, they now have 3 months to go about there own business without the worry of getting hooked, making little barbels, and some well earned peace and quiet etc.

I also need a rest too, it was a great season....:D
 
The question is why was the closed season imposed?..As already pointed out it was introduced to protect fish when many people ate them, which no longer happens (Unless eastern european)..:D:D..The way it currently stands is completely outdated and serves no point what so ever..I for one cannot see the point in keeping the close season on rivers and as for the arguament it gives nature a break, what aload of rubbish!!!..If you feel you need a break from fishing rivers then just have a break, why do you need to be told?..The arguament it spoils the magic of the 16th June is complete rubbish, if someone feels that strongly about it then just dont go untill the 16th June..Simples..;)..P.S...Damien you dont half talk aload of twaffle..:D:D
 
Damian Kimmins said:
I just don't understand the logic in that thinking though Steve.
We agree in the principle of the close season, and that if we could we'd have it reinstated on lakes and canals, but yet because we both realise that would be difficult, we should just give up on our principle altogether?
Idealism is something that I believe is a precursor of a detachment from reality and though most of us would like to have everything how we see it should be, it's folly to chase it, but we should not give up on the rationale that something is right or wrong.
We can, while abiding by our principles, still accept that what happens on the lakes and canals at this time of the year is wrong, there's no contradiction in what we do! We are not the responsible for the current law.

Like I say Colin, there are some things we must just accept.
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Difficult doesn't even come close mate:eek:.

Its gone forever......


I think we're coming at this from different angles Damian, so we will have to agree to disagree.

The closed season has gone forever on stillwaters and lets be honest, they haven't suffered in the most.
Initially there was a rush of anglers excited at the prospect of been able to fish during the 'Closed Season', but now........

Personally (and that's what we're talking here) I cant see any logical reason to keep it on rivers.

OK, if boaters, canoeists, walkers, bird spotters, Barbel/Carp/Roach/Dace/Chub/Perch/Pike/Zander...(delete where appropriate) spotters were banned from the rivers too, I could probably see the logic in keeping it, but they are not, so why should I be?

Those that want to stick to the 'traditional' closed season can stay away, and those that are happy to fish all year can......

Anyway, it seems were going round in circles, so lets just except that I'm right and we can move back on to the Otters....:D;):p

Steve
 
Colin Gordon said:
No understand???

Unless talking RFC, then:
The (Worcester) Warriors - My son's team kicked their asses all over the park, along with taff teams Bridgend and Ponypridd.:)
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:) That's what the Carp boys call him, you know in the Carp championships when he teamed up with Jon wotsisname the Bankside Tackle owner...Help!!!:p

Don't think he plays Rugger, but if he did:eek:
 
I don't mean to be critical Steve, but I am left wondering if your agreement in principle with the close season was that strong, or whether your opinion, one of caring a good deal less, is the same evident in a society that appears to want what everyone else has.
I think I could say of my life that I've cared as little as I ever might in the past, and that now I see things very differently because of it - things might pass me by but I will always try to protect what I feel to be right when any wrong might encroach.
Almost every weekend at this time of year there are many like me that during the close season are on the banks of their favourite river sticking in a stile or a bench somewhere, or doing something or other. If I come across a poacher, I'll ask him to leave, and if I see a canoeist I will ask him to leave. I cannot give up on what effect I might have when I am down there on account of the times when I am not.

I spotted some barbel spawning on my last visit down there. To see some 'must have everything' fishing for them would fill me with horror.

I know you fish the Severn, Steve and consider, if you don't that is, you might feel differently if you fished a smaller, more intimate river.

Regards

Damian
 
Damien, once again you are speaking from your own narrow perspectives. What's good for you and your 'favourite river' may not be good for those of us who fish the wilder waters and more open, less populated spaces north of Watford.
I have several club cards which cover around 40 miles of fishing, and that's just the Severn, it's virtually impossible to walk all of them every day, and even if you did what are you going to do when you come up against the group of shaven headed tattooed pierced dope smoking Carling swigging 'eel fishers', and their pit bulls when you bump into them?
As for intimate rivers they don't get much more intimate than the Teme; but don't bother trying to tame her with manicured banks and mown swims, you'll be wasting your time and be able to watch your well sited bench disappear in the next 6 meter flood.
 
Craig Wood said:
The question is why was the closed season imposed?..As already pointed out it was introduced to protect fish when many people ate them, which no longer happens (Unless eastern european)..:D:D..The way it currently stands is completely outdated and serves no point what so ever..I for one cannot see the point in keeping the close season on rivers and as for the arguament it gives nature a break, what aload of rubbish!!!..If you feel you need a break from fishing rivers then just have a break, why do you need to be told?..The arguament it spoils the magic of the 16th June is complete rubbish, if someone feels that strongly about it then just dont go untill the 16th June..Simples..;)..P.S...Damien you dont half talk aload of twaffle..:D:D
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Nicely summed up there Craig, especially liked the underlined section.:D


Neil Smart said:
:) That's what the Carp boys call him, you know in the Carp championships when he teamed up with Jon wotsisname the Bankside Tackle owner...Help!!!:p

Don't think he plays Rugger, but if he did:eek:
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Neil, seems you're more au fait with the carp scene than me..... :eek::)
(I never even knew there was a carp competition. Who won?)


Damian Kimmins said:
We are not the responsible for the current law.

Like I say Colin, there are some things we must just accept.
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No we are not responsible for the current laws but are they not put in place for our good and what good does the current farce do?
I suggest no good at all and if anglers can't decide for themselve which fish is most appropriate to pursue, then sorry its a bad job.

One thing I "just accept": The existing law is an ass, that doesn't serve any useful purpose and is just a confusing pathetic appeasement excuse of a law.
Sorry it gives a few souls an excuse to romance about the glorious 16th of June.
 
Neil, seems you're more au fait with the carp scene than me..... :eek::)
(I never even knew there was a carp competition. Who won?)


There as a annual competition apparently, The British Carp Championships I think, they actually won in 2009 or 8 and the final was at South Cerney I was momentarily interested as I used to live there and the lake that they fished used to be a cracking tench, water where I actually nudged the then UK record back in the 80's.:cool:
Ian's partner Jon is now a local tackle dealer to me at Tewkesbury.
They shared first prize of £10k
I have loads more useless information..just ask:)
 
Just a thought but maybe if there was no close season on rivers there would be more food for the fish with protein which i would imagine would benefit them prior to spawning due to the amounts of energy the fish use when mating and then spawning it might even encourage better future fish stocks..I only say this because after spawning they go mad for anything with high protein so i think its fair to say they would do the same before they start mating which does not occur in the middle of March!!!..As said its just a thought..;)
 
Craig, there's no law saying that you can't throw some bait in at this time of the year and I'm sure the fish would love you for it.

wink and smile face.
 
I'd like to say that's a load of twaffle Craig, but then I fear even I wouldn't know what I'd be talking about!
What a silly argument; the protection of wild fish populations by fishing for them year-round.
Quite the own goal when viewed from elsewhere I am sure.
 
Yes, not far below that all-time classic you used to hear from the hunting fraternity - "Foxes enjoy being hunted".
 
:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D...No own goal im affraid Damien..Perhaps you should try reading what i said again...Both you and the Boote are both Hypocrites..You both delibrately disagree with people on here and think you have the right to take the moral high ground if anyone dare say something you dont like..It was only last year on here Damien that you were slating people for fishing for Barbel from June 16th saying they hadnt spawned, so surely you are now contradicting yourself by saying keep the close season in its current form????...I dont often post on here anymore due to prats like you and Boote who think you are clever and have a god given right to take the moral high ground with folk who say or do something you dont like..OVER & OUT..:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
 
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