Hi men ,
Yes Paul , looks that way
, irresponsible un-careing carp / tench angling b******s .
Hatter
Yes Paul , looks that way
, irresponsible un-careing carp / tench angling b******s .Hatter
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The river closed season debate
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David Hall
Senior Member
err, no, you have said everything right there!
David Gauntlett
Senior Member
Hi men ,
Yes Paul , looks that way
Hatter
Or....now this is a weird, out of the box idea I know, but.....people could get on with fishing the way they enjoy doing things, and let others do the same.
Naaa....I've been an angler for 60 years, and experience tells me that will never catch on, so forget I mentioned it
Cheers, Dave.
D
Deleted member 36
Guest
I have to say I find it a little disheartening when reading the words of those who'd like to see and end to the close season.
Are we ever going to realise that this chasing whatever it is we suspect will make us happy is futile?
It is the contrast of the things we come across in this life that make it what it is; joy has no significance without sadness, sunshine has no significance without rain and having has no significance without having not.
Abstaining for a little while and introducing to ourselves and our desires a small measure of discipline will do us a great deal more good than it will harm.
Regards
Damian
Are we ever going to realise that this chasing whatever it is we suspect will make us happy is futile?
It is the contrast of the things we come across in this life that make it what it is; joy has no significance without sadness, sunshine has no significance without rain and having has no significance without having not.
Abstaining for a little while and introducing to ourselves and our desires a small measure of discipline will do us a great deal more good than it will harm.
Regards
Damian
Hi men ,
I will say , our lake see a great interest deal of interest during the first closed season that it was abolished , then year on year it has decreased to a point tha its no longer any more busy than any other time . If I knew fish were spawning i would not fish ( late last year , no where near any closed season ) , a bit like the Teme , where we see fish spawning DURING the fishing season .
I will abstain , and fish lakes and canals . The argument is flawed , but will be in place for a while .
Hatter
I will say , our lake see a great interest deal of interest during the first closed season that it was abolished , then year on year it has decreased to a point tha its no longer any more busy than any other time . If I knew fish were spawning i would not fish ( late last year , no where near any closed season ) , a bit like the Teme , where we see fish spawning DURING the fishing season .
I will abstain , and fish lakes and canals . The argument is flawed , but will be in place for a while .
Hatter
Adrian Williams
No Longer a Member
I first posted most of this last June and have not yet seen anything to change my mind. Apology's to those who saw it last time.
I think it's time the silly close season law was scrapped. Imo in this day and age it's pointless. It's only the law abiding responsible anglers who are not on the bank.
The present close season was introduced as a result of the Mundella act (1878), in a attempt to preserve fish stocks at a time when people fished for the pot.
These days when the only people fishing for the pot are recent visitors to this country the law is actually counter productive and for three months of the year these people suddenly find they can picnic on their catch unmolested as the river bank is devoid of law abiding anglers urging them to practice catch and release.
Of course once the sun comes out they have to share the bank with the irresponsible summer fishermen who, as well as not observing a close season, don't bother with a club card, rod licence, or any other niceties who are there plundering the hot swims. And then there's ramblers, dog walkers, boaters, al fresco lovers, mountain bikers, birders and the odd fish spotters and piscine voyeurs who also don't give a hoot about wearing down the paths and trampling the spring flowers while you and I, the only people who actually pay a licence fee to visit the river bank, sit at home and think of summer barbel and virgin swims......Yeh right......
I think it's time the silly close season law was scrapped. Imo in this day and age it's pointless. It's only the law abiding responsible anglers who are not on the bank.
The present close season was introduced as a result of the Mundella act (1878), in a attempt to preserve fish stocks at a time when people fished for the pot.
These days when the only people fishing for the pot are recent visitors to this country the law is actually counter productive and for three months of the year these people suddenly find they can picnic on their catch unmolested as the river bank is devoid of law abiding anglers urging them to practice catch and release.
Of course once the sun comes out they have to share the bank with the irresponsible summer fishermen who, as well as not observing a close season, don't bother with a club card, rod licence, or any other niceties who are there plundering the hot swims. And then there's ramblers, dog walkers, boaters, al fresco lovers, mountain bikers, birders and the odd fish spotters and piscine voyeurs who also don't give a hoot about wearing down the paths and trampling the spring flowers while you and I, the only people who actually pay a licence fee to visit the river bank, sit at home and think of summer barbel and virgin swims......Yeh right......
D
Deleted member 36
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For me Adrian that's a nonsense point!
It displays wholly the apathy amongst anglers in not getting up off their backsides and doing something about a perceived problem.
Why should bailiffing a water stop during the close season?
Because Bailiffs can't be bothered?
It displays wholly the apathy amongst anglers in not getting up off their backsides and doing something about a perceived problem.
Why should bailiffing a water stop during the close season?
Because Bailiffs can't be bothered?
Derek Funcks
Senior Member & Supporter
Damian, with all respect, instead of preaching to us, who abide by the rules as they stand, why not teach yourself polish during the closed season. Lots of them on the bank to practise on.
Paul Boote
No Longer a Member
As I observed days ago in another thread: not so much about Close Season, more about...
https://barbel.co.uk/site/vbulletin/forum/showpost.php?p=55723&postcount=32
PS - Just to make myself clear - again, as the last time I posted the tongue-in-cheek but still telling above, the usual suspects tried it on with "Boote's a Nazi" stuff - a lot of this Close Season "debate" is about what every freeborn Brit (particularly Englishman) is nothing short of world class at: feeling angry and aggrieved by the merest possibility that someone, particularly foreign, somewhere, is getting away with things (whether they are or not, it doesn't matter, just thinking that they might be makes us feel both bad and good).
https://barbel.co.uk/site/vbulletin/forum/showpost.php?p=55723&postcount=32
PS - Just to make myself clear - again, as the last time I posted the tongue-in-cheek but still telling above, the usual suspects tried it on with "Boote's a Nazi" stuff - a lot of this Close Season "debate" is about what every freeborn Brit (particularly Englishman) is nothing short of world class at: feeling angry and aggrieved by the merest possibility that someone, particularly foreign, somewhere, is getting away with things (whether they are or not, it doesn't matter, just thinking that they might be makes us feel both bad and good).
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D
Deleted member 36
Guest
Perhaps abiding by the rules is no longer enough and if we are to see ourselves from this mess we must work!
Jeff Edisbury
Senior Member
Alas Paul, you are very nearly spot on!
I'm all for the closed season but it aggrieves me that a multitude of others are still fishing. Some legally and some not. Not all the people fishing illegaly are of eastern european origin. there are plenty of "freeborn British i don't give a ***" losers out there too. So yes, it's just jealousy and I am irritated that some people think it's funny to fish the rivers in the close season. Walking the banks telling people to *** off though is outside my remit as a big cowardy custard.
Damian,
Don't move over to the dark side, you will never forgive yourself!
Regards,
Jeff
I'm all for the closed season but it aggrieves me that a multitude of others are still fishing. Some legally and some not. Not all the people fishing illegaly are of eastern european origin. there are plenty of "freeborn British i don't give a ***" losers out there too. So yes, it's just jealousy and I am irritated that some people think it's funny to fish the rivers in the close season. Walking the banks telling people to *** off though is outside my remit as a big cowardy custard.
Damian,
Don't move over to the dark side, you will never forgive yourself!
Regards,
Jeff
Richard Parsons
Senior Member
Some of us are able to keep things in proportion without being told to. Very poetic, Damian, but life's more about mere contrasts. This is the first time I've heard that argument......
D
Deleted member 36
Guest
If you agree that the close season in principle is worth keeping but are annoyed at illegal anglers on your club water, then do something about it and effect a policing. To suggest other is to say that you'll exact a wrong on those who wronged you.
Joe Fletcher
No Longer a Member
Are people suggesting that by scrapping the close season , That it would end poaching and illegal fishing with out a licence .
Perhaps if laws and rules was inforced more vigorously then it may go some way to ending the problem .
Perhaps if laws and rules was inforced more vigorously then it may go some way to ending the problem .
Steve Williams
Senior Member
Do you want the re-introduction of the closed season on stillwaters & canals Damian?
I still cant get away from the fact that Roach, Perch, Chub, Barbel (god forbid they be stocked in a stillwater), and any other species you care to name are treated differently in stillwaters to their river cousins.......
At the end of the day a Roach is still a Roach, be it a stillwater Roach or a river Roach.
How can we justify fishing for one and not the other.
Either re introduce the closed season on ALL waters (and we know that aint going to happen).... or abolish it.
Steve
I still cant get away from the fact that Roach, Perch, Chub, Barbel (god forbid they be stocked in a stillwater), and any other species you care to name are treated differently in stillwaters to their river cousins.......
At the end of the day a Roach is still a Roach, be it a stillwater Roach or a river Roach.
How can we justify fishing for one and not the other.
Either re introduce the closed season on ALL waters (and we know that aint going to happen).... or abolish it.
Steve
Hi men,
Spot on Steve, many many hypocrite's on here . I spoke to a top carp angler one day ( don't get any bigger ) who had doubts over fishing through , that lasted one closed season , knowing where and when the carp spawn avoided stressing them. Truth is , they spawned through July and a bit of august , waste of the closed season in that case !.
Hatter
Spot on Steve, many many hypocrite's on here . I spoke to a top carp angler one day ( don't get any bigger ) who had doubts over fishing through , that lasted one closed season , knowing where and when the carp spawn avoided stressing them. Truth is , they spawned through July and a bit of august , waste of the closed season in that case !.
Hatter
Colin Gordon
No Longer a Member
A quick recap of my understanding of the English rivers fishing seasons:
Coarse: Start 16/6 close 14/3
Non migratory trout: Start 22/3 close 30/9
Salmon and migratory trout: Start 1/2 close 31/10
(feel free to correct any mis-stated dates)
So on the basis that these dates are in place to protect spawning fish, on mixed rivers; Windrush, Kennet, Hamp Avon, Wey, Lea, Teme, Wye..... No need to keep going, the list is endless...
Am I to take it that to protect all species, advocates for keeping the close season in its current format abstain from fishing rivers, altogether for any species regardless of methods between 16/6 to 30/9. In fact going on last years late spawning in chub and barbel perhaps the start date should be 1/7, or later....
Good luck with your three months of 'sporting' river fishing, I'd hate to think of you guys as hypocrites, SO PLEASE ADHERE to my newly revised rivers season guidelines!!
As for salmon and sea trout anglers; lowest of the low! Deliberately setting out to catch fishing migrating upstream to spawn OR equally lowly, catching exhausted freshly spawned out fish attempting to return too the sea and finally get some sustenance.
I can see why Paul Boote spurns UK anglers, what a hypocritical bunch, do-gooders doing good but on their terms only, worse, accusing those that wish the close season to be abolished of being "selfish" - Yeah right, pot calling a kettle....
Coarse: Start 16/6 close 14/3
Non migratory trout: Start 22/3 close 30/9
Salmon and migratory trout: Start 1/2 close 31/10
(feel free to correct any mis-stated dates)
So on the basis that these dates are in place to protect spawning fish, on mixed rivers; Windrush, Kennet, Hamp Avon, Wey, Lea, Teme, Wye..... No need to keep going, the list is endless...
Am I to take it that to protect all species, advocates for keeping the close season in its current format abstain from fishing rivers, altogether for any species regardless of methods between 16/6 to 30/9. In fact going on last years late spawning in chub and barbel perhaps the start date should be 1/7, or later....
Good luck with your three months of 'sporting' river fishing, I'd hate to think of you guys as hypocrites, SO PLEASE ADHERE to my newly revised rivers season guidelines!!
As for salmon and sea trout anglers; lowest of the low! Deliberately setting out to catch fishing migrating upstream to spawn OR equally lowly, catching exhausted freshly spawned out fish attempting to return too the sea and finally get some sustenance.
I can see why Paul Boote spurns UK anglers, what a hypocritical bunch, do-gooders doing good but on their terms only, worse, accusing those that wish the close season to be abolished of being "selfish" - Yeah right, pot calling a kettle....
Colin Gordon
No Longer a Member
Colin Gordon
No Longer a Member
Neil Smart
Senior Member
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