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Mike Hodgkiss said:
The tip in this thread seems to be screw your baitrunner up tight to give little or no line and you will be OK and hook your barbel , by doing this you don't need the baitrunner facility which is to give line before striking / picking up the rod . QUOTE]


No Mike, it's to give line when the rod is almost at full compression relative to the angle it's at to the bait. In other words, you're aiming to let the fish put a good bend in the rod before line is paid out. The pressure generated will set the hook. It's not about how much or little line is paid out, it's the bend that's put in the rod that's the key.

If you set your normal clutch to this level, you'd have to take one hand off the rod while playing the fish to re-set it after you've picked the rod up. Fiddly and pointless, when you can have two clutch levels set and switch from one to the other by turning the reel and clicking the baitrunner off.

That's the whole point of this reel. :confused:

Easiest way to test it is to set a rod & pod up at home, pull the line at 90 degrees to the rod with a loose baitrunner and gradually tighten the clutch up until it gives line when the rods bending round nicely, but before it starts to pull the pod over. Then you're there.

I suppose what you're saying above is a bit like having a Ray Walton Pin and still doing the Wallis cast with it, instead of utilising it's designed feature?

Anyway, hopefully Paul's figured it out and will let us know how he gets on. :cool:
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Chris Thomson said:
Go on, liven up a Sunday morning!
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Well they are the work of the devil aint they :) They aren't necessary, encourage lazy angling, give line on a bite so give the fish the upper hand to start with,and give people the 'its safe to go for a walk' mentality.

There, i'm off out :D
 
We should have a poll; To Baitrunner or not to Baitrunner, that is the question.....
 
Surely a decent baitrunner can do both jobs with the clutch set tight or loose !happy days:)even my shimano 2500 with no baitrunner bail arm on and locked up can reel of line with very little presure or be adusted back to compleate lock.

Paul
 
Simon Lush said:
Well they are the work of the devil aint they :) They aren't necessary, encourage lazy angling, give line on a bite so give the fish the upper hand to start with,and give people the 'its safe to go for a walk' mentality.

There, i'm off out :D
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Could say the same of centrepin too, if you really wanted to set the cat among the pigeons!
 
I used to fish the bait runner quite a few moons ago & now I find the function obsolete. There is no effort required to set the drag after casting, most of the time no need to strike, pick up the rod fingering the spool on the running fish & setting the drag accordingly.

Jon
 
Simon King said:
Mike Hodgkiss said:
The tip in this thread seems to be screw your baitrunner up tight to give little or no line and you will be OK and hook your barbel , by doing this you don't need the baitrunner facility which is to give line before striking / picking up the rod .
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No Mike, it's to give line when the rod is almost at full compression relative to the angle it's at to the bait. In other words, you're aiming to let the fish put a good bend in the rod before line is paid out. The pressure generated will set the hook. It's not about how much or little line is paid out, it's the bend that's put in the rod that's the key.
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How tight do you set your clutch if you have your baitrunner clutch giving line at when your rod is almost at full compression? I have my normal clutch set about that tight, and have the baitrunnner set much looser.

R.
 
Robin Bowes said:
How tight do you set your clutch if you have your baitrunner clutch giving line at when your rod is almost at full compression? I have my normal clutch set about that tight, and have the baitrunnner set much looser.

R.
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It varies, Robin; as in my quote:

"almost at full compression relative to the angle it's at to the bait"

Almost always less than 90 degrees, which is what my "normal clutch" is set to. So, looser than the clutch, but tight enough for the angle.

If it works out that I'm having to point the rod at the baited spot, then I'll elevate the rod-tip to make the angle. Another way (I believe Graham King used to use at A.Mill?) was to use a very heavy backlead to get the same effect.

Incidentally, the rods I'm using are 1.75 Avons, so they've got some "backbone". ;)
 
Simon Lush said:
Well they are the work of the devil aint they :) They aren't necessary, encourage lazy angling, give line on a bite so give the fish the upper hand to start with,and give people the 'its safe to go for a walk' mentality.

There, i'm off out :D
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Well said , and don't forget your coat , it's nippy out ..
 
Nice one Will :D I usually leave the grayling until it gets a little cooler , that said I had me wooly hat on this afternoon so maybe it is grayling time
 
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