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Bear with us on the registrations, it is overwhelming at the moment. It will settle down. I'm staying home all weekend to keep on top of it. Also my van is off the bloody road!

Conrad
 
I'm struggling to appreciate what the ABF will offer that other groups don't.

Another forum that the same people will frequent, striving to achieve similar goals to those groups that have fell away.

I'd be interested to hear if there is a true democracy as stated. Many clubs offer as much but we all know achieving it is a different story.

Good luck. You will probably need it.
 
As a long term member of BFW and a member of the BCC I actually fail to see why people are so suspicious and cagey with this new organisation !?
If you fancy joining, why not ! If you don't, then accept it/them for what it/they are and ignore..............They ain't actually asking that much !
Good luck I say !
Regards Paul M.
 
I started the registration process but when I realised there was no way you could reliably tie up the PayPal donation with the email you sent me I gave up. Surely you could improve the process so that an email address other than the paypal one can be used. After all the Paypal email address is used to login to PayPal so it's only a password away from accessing the PayPal account and all that entails. I don't have a problem donating but I wouldn't wish to give away my Paypal details. Just comes across a bit amateurish and hence puts me off. If you improve the process I'd be happy to reconsider.
 
I agree Paul, but Daniel has a point. With another group starting up there is a danger of them all becoming a little bit like the alphabet boys. The B.S, the BCC, now the ABF and countless other specialist angling groups. Reminds me of the heavyweight boxing title, once so respected and now much derided and devalued by there being so many. Just out of interest, what does this new organisation propose to do that the existing ones don't? Please excuse my ignorance in such matters as I usually steer well clear of angling "bollotics" and therefore im quite naive in such matters.
 
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I dont know about any one else, but BFW is good enough for me. Good luck to the new association though.
 
Thank you Daniel for your good luck message we may need it or we may not, only time will tell. One thing I can assure you though is that the ABF is definitely a truly democratic organisation.

It is currently run for the first year by the inaugral committee, most of whom along with an invited membership formed it and defined its constitution and principles prior to going live. Once the first year has run its course, all members of the committee should they wish to remain in office will be up for election, with all members entitled to vote for them or they can propose others for the positions.

As far as what it can offer you or others? there is only one way to find out and that is to join. Any organisation is only as good as its membership. The more there is the stronger it becomes in all areas. I might also add the more lively, enjoyable and informative.

Would like to see you there but if not good luck to you and enjoy your fishing.
Keith
 
Hi men,

I'm a member , and feel that it will be hard for people to comment on the group untill it has gone through the period of membership growth . Only once it's up and running will we see if there is something it offers that others don't ?.

Hatter
 
Well you can't fish for the buggers at least we can talk about it. Worth a punt even for the likes of Colin G..
 
So who are the commitee members of this demorcratic organisation, and where they elected at a AGM,

Regards Ray Thorpe
 
It is currently run for the first year by the inaugral committee, most of whom along with an invited membership formed it and defined its constitution and principles prior to going live. Once the first year has run its course, all members of the committee should they wish to remain in office will be up for election, with all members entitled to vote for them or they can propose others for the positions
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posted earlier by Keith Truscott
 
Think I may get the sack if I start looking at another Barbel site.:(
BFW is one of the best sites going,long may it continue.
I will look into the ABF when the boss is not looking,but good luck.


Ken
 
Neil Smart-Arse said:
Well you can't fish for the buggers at least we can talk about it. Worth a punt even for the likes of Colin G..
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Neil Smart-Arse, actually I can fish for the "buggers" whenever I please and its doubtful that I'm alone there.:p

I it take you just jump into everything head first, no thought just react. An old adage springs to mind and looking at your little retort quoted above it seems very apt for you: Only fools rush in.:rolleyes:

I like to be mindful of things before signing up, hence asking questions, its your prerogative not to as its mine too.
 
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Keith Truscott said:
As far as what it can offer you or others? there is only one way to find out and that is to join. Any organisation is only as good as its membership.
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It sounds like a Cult. :eek:

Sorry Keith, a pre-viewing of the Principles and Constitution would be a bare minimum required before signing up to any society or organisation. Regardless of money.

Count me out.
 
Hi Keith,

Firstly, all the best with the ABF.

However, judging by the few comments so far about wanting to read the constitution before signing up, surely that's the sensible thing to do? Otherwise you're going to continue missing out on potential members like Simon?

I assume there is nothing controversial in your constitution, so there really is nothing to lose and everything to gain by allowing everyone access to it from the beginning.

Just an opinion that I hope helps.

All the best.
 
Paul Matthews said:
As a long term member of BFW and a member of the BCC I actually fail to see why people are so suspicious and cagey with this new organisation !?
If you fancy joining, why not ! If you don't, then accept it/them for what it/they are and ignore..............They ain't actually asking that much !
Good luck I say !
Regards Paul M.
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Maybe because people don't have the info they feel they need to make a decision. Also, by watching the reported(if true) demise of the BS. I'm not suspicious personally, and i hope they achieve what they set out to, whether that be the maintenance of Barbel habitats, the trimming of otter numbers, bringing together Barbel Anglers- (and i'm just speculating on their aims).

Haydn Clarke said:
I agree Paul, but Daniel has a point. With another group starting up there is a danger of them all becoming a little bit like the alphabet boys. The B.S, the BCC, now the ABF and countless other specialist angling groups. Reminds me of the heavyweight boxing title, once so respected and now much derided and devalued by there being so many. Just out of interest, what does this new organisation propose to do that the existing ones don't? Please excuse my ignorance in such matters as I usually steer well clear of angling "bollotics" and therefore im quite naive in such matters.
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Spot on Haydn. I'm not into the "bollotics" either but just had a couple of points to pose, which you seem to share. Thought it might have just been me looking for holes where there wasn't any.

Keith Truscott said:
Thank you Daniel for your good luck message we may need it or we may not, only time will tell. One thing I can assure you though is that the ABF is definitely a truly democratic organisation.

It is currently run for the first year by the inaugral committee, most of whom along with an invited membership formed it and defined its constitution and principles prior to going live. Once the first year has run its course, all members of the committee should they wish to remain in office will be up for election, with all members entitled to vote for them or they can propose others for the positions.

As far as what it can offer you or others? there is only one way to find out and that is to join. Any organisation is only as good as its membership. The more there is the stronger it becomes in all areas. I might also add the more lively, enjoyable and informative.

Would like to see you there but if not good luck to you and enjoy your fishing.
Keith
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Cheers Keith. I meant you'd probably need it in the respect that many new organisations do, irregardless. Also with a bit of maket competition so to speak.

As for joining, i'm not so sure. I've discovered that since i made the transition from the old BFW to the new i've become a lot more traceable on the internet (by anyone). If i joined the ABF with my own credentials that would probably double my exposure again, which isn't something i'm keen on. This is one of the reasons why my BFW posts are kept to a minimum.

Mark Anderson said:
Hi men,

I'm a member , and feel that it will be hard for people to comment on the group untill it has gone through the period of membership growth . Only once it's up and running will we see if there is something it offers that others don't ?.

Hatter
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Hatter, thats not how the world works though is it. "Let us get established and see if we're different." You don't get asked to buy a new washing up powder to see if its better than the ones already available.
 
I can understand some of the sceptics but one thing has been overlooked.

Running alongside the BS and BCC was the Barbel Specialist Group which had, at its peak, about 150 members. They were a membership club without a web site that had some brilliant meetings with great talkers and discussions. I feel that there is a definite niche for such get togethers and hope that the ABF manages to fill it.

Also, should the group grow big enough, then the sky is the limit. It doesn't have to be restricted to being web based, there is so much more that it can be involved in. I, for one, hope that it succeeds.
 
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