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Stillwater barbel fishing 2010

Paul Hayes said:
Just to put one fact straight as a person who occasionally used Makins and lives not far away the barbel were initially stocked by Billy himself. Since then it has had numerous owners including British Waterways (BWB Makins). A good friend of mine was manager there for a few years and he informed me that since the initial stocking by Billy Makin as far as he is aware no further stocking of barbel has taken place.

Paul
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Thanks for that Paul.....I have been trying to get the answer to that.
I had a hunch that was the case but could not really say so as it was just a hunch.

Rich.
 
I was exchanging words with a well known Trent angler that doesn't post here any more.

He is very much anti close season and thinks it should be abolished.

He was adamant that one of the Barbel groups agrees with his view but would not expand his thoughts. I know the BS are against the abolition. Anyone views from the Barbel Catchers or Barbel Specialist members?

Thanks

Graham
 
Adrian Williams said:
Damian,

Are you being deliberately obtuse? A better example would be the chairman of the Gulf of Mexico Coastal Conservation Association being sponsored by BP.
I do however find it interesting that so many luminaries from the society can not, or will not, see the hypocrisy in this. As my old Nan used to say, "There are none so blind as those who will not see".
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Hypocrisy from who Adrian? Steve Pope?

The Committee are subject to the procedure of voting on matters of importance and when these votes result in a majority, it's not to say that everyone will agree with them. That the vote is a majority means that away from officialdom they'd need do exactly the same? Of course not! What the one, the individual, may do away from Committee business has absolutely nothing to do with the Committee. What if one of the Committee actually regularly fished for Stillwater barbel? Would it throw open the debate like this has? Not likely - unless his name was Steve Pope.

There's always this tendancy, that has to be said is indicative of a little desperation, that whatever Steve Pope does as he himself might do, means that so must the rest of the Committee and the general membership of the BS. It's happening here, yet again.
The only issue here as being indicative of the Society's position regarding the stocking of stillwater barbel is the Society's partnership with Dynamite Baits, and like I say is most likely based anything but sound economics and income. It could be argued that with the emergence of information that the water sponsored by Dynamites has likely only had one stocking of barbel, long before Dynamites were there, even that is hardly worth discussing now.

Regards,

Damian
 
The BS do not seem to be in line with most barbel angler's thoughts, still water barbel and Otters.

I was at the BS meeting at Longham Hampshire last month, Pete Reading Reserch & Conservation Officer for the BS replied to a question
" that there was no proplem with Otters in our rivers" meaning country wide.

It supprised quite a lot of the audience.

I went along thinking I might rejoin,I will not be.
 
"What the one, the individual, may do away from Committee business has absolutely nothing to do with the Committee"

Well, it should have, if the organisation involved actually stands for something.. It's like a member of the General Synod espousing Atheism!

'swim wild, swim free' - what a joke!
 
Declan Doherty said:
"What the one, the individual, may do away from Committee business has absolutely nothing to do with the Committee"

Well, it should have, if the organisation involved actually stands for something.. It's like a member of the General Synod espousing Atheism!

'swim wild, swim free' - what a joke!
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Don't be daft!

First and foremost you'd join the Society because you fish for barbel. It's not a prerequisite of joining you fish for them only in a river, whatever the Society's position is. It is up to the individual to make the choice.
If the situation was reversed and a Committee member was harangued on account of him fishing a stillwater, you'd say 'you can't do that'.


Wasn't General Synod that bloke on Superman II?
 
It amazes me that the membership don't vote-out a Committee member who holds views completely against what (I assumed) the BS stands for!
 
I suspect it might be because if they did, they'd have to answer to a court of some description on account of their actions being discriminatory. As I suspect might another court have questions to ask if the Society made it a stipulation that in order to join the BS you must only fish for barbel in a river.
 
"I suspect it might be because if they did, they'd have to answer to a court of some description on account of their actions being discriminatory"

Hang on - you're saying it's illegal to vote-out someone from the committee of an organisation because you don't agree with their views?

Hopefully you're not in the legal profession Damian...
 
Michael Hardinges said:
The BS do not seem to be in line with most barbel angler's thoughts, still water barbel and Otters.

I was at the BS meeting at Longham Hampshire last month, Pete Reading Reserch & Conservation Officer for the BS replied to a question
" that there was no proplem with Otters in our rivers" meaning country wide.

It supprised quite a lot of the audience.

I went along thinking I might rejoin,I will not be.
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Maybe he is right in what was said, otters aren't that much of an issue on nearly all rivers containing barbel.
Rather just ill-informed anglers that like to blame the first and most visible contributing factor for the demise in their sport.

"Surprised quite a lot of the audience."
What that a respected angler failed to join in with 'blame the otters' hysteria that abounds this sport?
 
Colin Gordon said:
Maybe he is right in what was said, otters aren't that much of an issue on nearly all rivers containing barbel.
Rather just ill-informed anglers that like to blame the first and most visible contributing factor for the demise in their sport.

"Surprised quite a lot of the audience."
What that a respected angler failed to join in with 'blame the otters' hysteria that abounds this sport?
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Sensible post Colin.
 
Declan Doherty said:
"I suspect it might be because if they did, they'd have to answer to a court of some description on account of their actions being discriminatory"

Hang on - you're saying it's illegal to vote-out someone from the committee of an organisation because you don't agree with their views?

Hopefully you're not in the legal profession Damian...
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I would say Declan you'd find yourself sailing very close to the wind, yes.
In this particular case you'd have to be very careful to find out the reasons why someone would fish for barbel in stillwaters. It would strengthen any case immeasurably if that person was limited by health or transport issues. But even that aside, to eject someone from a Committee on the strength of where they fish would be very dodgy ground.
A democratically run organisation like the Society might find in years down the line that it's no longer a concern and decide to change it's view of stillwater barbel. Now that might have Ray Walton swinging from the rafters, but it is what Committees and the decision making process is all about.
 
Declan, it may also help if you could actually elect your committee, which of course you cannot in the BS.

Personally i do not and will not purposely fish a still water where i know or believe to be barbel in it................... if you do then it is between you and your conscience.

I believe if barbel where meant to be in still waters then they would have been there long before man started to meddle with things.

Keep arguing though man, it is quite entertaining :D:D:D:p:p:p:p:):):):)
 
Now all the way through this thread i have read that the BS and Steve Pope support the stocking of Barbel in to still waters just because Dynamite have started to sponser Makins, a water where the fish were stocked years ago long before Dynamites involvement. Now i'm pretty sure as most who read and post on site will be that the the BS and Steve do not support the policy of barbel stocking into still waters and i'm afraid the BS or Steve are not going to change who Dynamite sponser. Anybody who begrudges the BS junior section getting a bit of bait to help young and sometimes under privalidged kids in my eyes want's to get a grip and a life. It's pretty obvious that most of the sniping on here is personal attacks for whatever reason and it's beginning to get a bit boring now. BS policy should be made by the BS commitee and members and is nothing to do with ex members who might not agree with how they are made. If these non members wish to have an involvement perhaps they should join or rejoin as the case maybe and then they the right to speak about the BS and it's policy's. I for one would not expect to have any say in an organisation i was not a member of and i just cant see why anyone else expects that right.
 
Damian Kimmins said:
I would say Declan you'd find yourself sailing very close to the wind, yes.
In this particular case you'd have to be very careful to find out the reasons why someone would fish for barbel in stillwaters. It would strengthen any case immeasurably if that person was limited by health or transport issues. But even that aside, to eject someone from a Committee on the strength of where they fish would be very dodgy ground.
A democratically run organisation like the Society might find in years down the line that it's no longer a concern and decide to change it's view of stillwater barbel. Now that might have Ray Walton swinging from the rafters, but it is what Committees and the decision making process is all about.
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Sorry to harp on about this Damian, but frankly, your statements are ridiculous.

Will people visiting a Polling Station today be "sailing very close to the wind" in terms of legality, by voting against a candidate whose views they disagree with?

Are you for real?
 
Graham Elliott said:
I was exchanging words with a well known Trent angler that doesn't post here any more.

He is very much anti close season and thinks it should be abolished.

He was adamant that one of the Barbel groups agrees with his view but would not expand his thoughts. I know the BS are against the abolition. Anyone views from the Barbel Catchers or Barbel Specialist members?

Thanks

Graham
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Graham, i'm pleased to inform you that the Barbel Catchers are very much in favour of retention:)
 
Declan Doherty said:
It amazes me that the membership don't vote-out a Committee member who holds views completely against what (I assumed) the BS stands for!
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Declan,

Far be it for me to get involved in this "debate", but I'd just like to point out as a matter of fact that the Barbel Society Chairman is *not* democratically elected.

The BS members couldn't vote out Steve Pope, even if they wanted to. He is untouchable.

R.
 
barbel society

Hi everyone
Barbel fishing as we all know it is changing due to the enviroment and predation on some rivers..Unfortunately the barbel society has lost its way somewhat from what it origanally was all about..Every river has its own different problems,some are suffering from predation ie..the wensum,cherwell,ouse,dorset stour,etc unfortunately ive come to realise that theres nothing either ourselves or ANY angling organisation can do about it..The same as theirs nothing we can do to stop barbel being stocked into stillwaters..Its a shame that the bs and other angling organisations dont have a bigger say in the above mentioned matters..I read with interest what pete reading said regarding otters at the bs longham meeting..Unfortunately he was very wrong but again theirs nothing anyone can do within the law..Unfortunately the bs will also be in decline in coming years as will barbel stocks on some rivers..Its a real shame but its also true i think..
Regards craig
 
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