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Would you ban the use of braid?

Hope the vote at the AGM goes well Leyton. I must be fortunate as I have never caught a barbel with marks to any extent. Deformities yes.

I am pretty local to you & in the distant past I was part of Bulkington Working Mens Club who own 3 lakes near Rugby. Successive AGM meetings the rules imposed by the club got successively more daft. No bivies (fair enough), limits on baits, no groundsheet, no sleeping bags, no radio's, 24 hr limit on swim occupation. Their ideas on ecology, conservation & fishery/stock management were horrendous. Unfortunately most who moaned or were indifferent never attended the AGM so rules never got changed for the better. In general, it was uneducated matchmen spoiling angling for the rest.

Cheers, Jon
 
Steve, who called you stupid? i didn't think name calling was allowed in the new world?

As you've pointed out above tho, you made your mind up 15 years ago about braid and thats it for you.

Maybe your views are a bit outdated then don't you think? in the face of all the posters above that haven't seen the same issue during the last 5-6 years that you did, maybe it's time to try again with the new rounded / coated braid?


Thanks to all again more than enough experience of good and bad here for me to use. i'll re post after the AGM just to let you know how it went.

Tightlines Chaps
 
Steve.....

As I didn't know you 15 years ago when this incident happened I can't possibly comment.
However; 15 years ago I doubt you were the 'well rounded' ;)angler you are today.:D
 
Morning Leyton,

I didn't read Steve's comment as calling anyone stupid & he wrote it in a fashion, using smiley's that was more towards self than at others. It was an incidental comment made in a reply further along the thread. Furthermore, I have been angling since the early eighties & never as Steve wrote, had the 'misfortune' of a line wrapping around a fish & any consequential damage. I think that line wrapping a fish during the fight is very difficult; its a freak occurrence in my opinion & an extreme result is that one has become disheartened by such an event. Quite rightly they have the choice as to how they fish thereafter. As for fifteen years ago, I was playing the fish the same way as I do now & I bet that's the same for most...

I don't wish to antagonise, just playing devils advocate!

Cheers, Jon
 
Well the AGM lasted for just over 4 hours last night with the submissions from current members (as expected) taking up most of the meeting. 51 members from 200 showed on the night.

All 4 motions were discussed and with a strong specimen angler presence the room got slightly heated on a couple of occasions causing the chairman (not B.B tho) to reinstate order to the floor.

The Banning of all braided lines both as mainline and hooklinks was over turned as the evidence produced to the membership was lacking in substance to say the least. Only one chub on the clubs water was caught with suspected damage by the man himself (who was not using braid at the time) which lead him to belive braid must be damaging more fish. I'm guessing you can imagine the response. He then went on trying to convince the members to draw parallels to a very well known commercial fishery not far from where weelo lives who will be banning braid on their puddles. No contest…3 votes for 28 against

Banning pellet was next mostly based around several "top" match anglers struggling for bites during an end of season match. They attributed the lack of bites to "some" anglers pilling in pellets to fish the day after the match!!
One member at the meeting was on the water that day fishing was with his 7 year old daughter. They fished three pegs off the end of the match section. He went on to say that not every one blanked that day as his daughter caught two chub on breadflake….!! She will now be entering all matches next season……by this time the guy was getting upset as things weren't going the way he had planned and a laughable tense exchange again had to be controlled by the chairman. The members again voted against banning pellets 3 votes for 32 against.

No fishing in between pegs was the last one and by now the specimen anglers were all on the same page and getting cocky. In a mater of minutes after a great address to the room on the modern anglers approach by a certain society member a big round of applause followed which lead us into the vote for which they we're zero votes for (the guy had spat his dummy by this point and now was muttering into his pint) and 22 against.

A good night it was and common sense prevailed overall I think.

Thanks for your input on this guys it really helped.

Tight (braided) lines,

Leyton
 
Leyton

At least we know why they didn't want to tell you the reason for banning braid at the outset. Bet it was worth the yearly subs just to be at the meeting:)

Best Regards
Dave
 
Wish there'd been a motion to ban the discussion of Speedia reels on BFW, it's leading to massive price inflation! ;)
 
Julian Griffiths; maybe the silly over use in breaking strains that apparently some people are known to use said:
Not At all Julian, it depends on your enviroment, try a normal Trent/Tidal Trent, chucking 6-8oz of lead, 50yd to the far bank, or holding bottom in 3-4 foot of extra, with an 8oz lead. 30lb PP everytime. IMO

Well done Leyton on your success, common sense prevails.
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"So in a nut shell no I wouldn't ban it, as long as it was used responsibly as a hook length material only, and not in b/strains of ridiculously high proportions, but how would you govern that? "


Not having a go here, but surely the higher the breaking strain the less chance of the cheese wire effect. Higher breaking strain = greater diameter = larger surface area, so less chance of cutting. I would have thought irresponsible use would be lower breaking strain braid of around 10 or 12lb or even less as a mainline. This said it is down to the circumstances we fish in. I focus mainly on the Trent and as a result braid has made the job in hand a lot better and in my opinion safer, as it has eliminated the need for shock leaders onto smaller diameter mono to hit the far bank. I didnt break off once last season since i moved onto power pro. I build weakness into the feeder link and the hook length so if anything the higher breaking strain braids ensure that if i get snagged i can ensure the break will be at one of these. Is that irresponsible use?

At the end of the day we all fish different venues with differing types of water and what suits one location can be totally unsuitable for another, so what could be seen as irresponsible use for one water becomes responsible use at another. IMO
 
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I personally can see no problem in using high braking strain braided mainlines where conditions require this, and as Ian has said when used in conjunction with sensible end rig tackle there is probably a benefit in doing so.

For me the real issue is with people who fish using braided mainlines straight through, or use braided lines designed for use as a mainline as hook length material, and not properly designed braided lines manufactured for hook lengths.

regards
Richard
 
Sorry Richard and please excuse my ignorance but what is the difference in main line braid and hook link braids................ genuinely would like to know.

This subject was the topic of one of a long running thread on the Barbel Society forum a while ago and it was very informative with lots of whys and where for's and good arguments from both sides.

One thing that did stand out for me was the discussion about the "cheese wire effect". I have fished with Powerpro for about four seasons now for barbel and i am yet to see this effect on any of the fish i have caught or have seen caught. I know a few anglers who use Powerpro and other types of braid and they have not seen any evidence of this phenomenon while fishing for barbel or carp or even pike.

I am not saying it does not happen, s**t always happens, i am saying i have never witnessed it in all my years of using braid.
 
Tom basically it comes down to the way the braid is manufactured.
Mainlines are constructed with a tight weave for low diameter and hence don't flatten, hook length specific braids have a looser weave that flattens and increases its surface area when it comes across an object.

Better explanation in post 36 of thread from Kryston. You could read it as marketing hype but when you compare say Powerpro to Drennan Sinkbraid you can see and feel the difference. I have also noticed how easy it is to unintentionally split the braid when using baiting needles and hair stops.

I also have used Power Pro as a mainline in high BS for 3/4 years without any problem.

IMO you would be very unlikely to have any fish roll up in a braided mainline in the duration of a fight unless of course you were using a very short hooklenth.

regards
Richard
 
Nice one Richard, it makes sense when you think about it.

With this supposed "cheese wire" effect would a long hook link that is coated not cause this effect as well?
 
Think with the coating it's more likely to be a "Cheese Rope" rather than "Cheese Wire" ;).

I almost religiously use combi links with 2-4ft of Mono with 2-4 inches of Sinkbraid.

regards
Richard
 
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