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What the hell is wrong with people 😡😡

Terry Harman said:
stalbanstimes.co.uk

St Albans Cathedral's Peregrine falcon eggs destroyed - St Albans Times

All three Peregrine falcon eggs at St Albans Cathedral have been broken, and police are investigating.
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I hope someone finds out who this person is and gives him some justice! Before handing him in to the police! I know what I would do to him! 🤬, there was a Peragrine found at Selby abbey that had been shot with a shotgun and was injured by someone with a tiny brain 🧠 and even smaller penis! as it was probably shot in the surrounding countryside and flew into town, the bird was ok in the end thankfully.
 
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Jon, I agree he should be severely beaten! but if he dose get caught I’d be surprised if he gets any time? Probably get a suspended sentence? Unfortunately this sort of thing is not treated the way it should by the courts and the law? Now on the other hand if someone was found to have given him some real justice 🤛🏻 they would get time! 😩
 
When I was younger I used the think the death penalty and punishments like cutting your hands off for stealing (Saudi Arabia) and other such harsh penalties were abhorrent ….these days I seem to be wishing it on more and more of societies worst offenders!
 
I didn't read the report, but how are they so certain it was done by a person?
The eggs could have been koshed by a crow, raven, maggie etc?
 
Ian Woods said:
I didn't read the report, but how are they so certain it was done by a person?
The eggs could have been koshed by a crow, raven, maggie etc?
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There’s a cam on the nest it’s been going for two years so you can watch the peregrines online so there’s footage of it being done but you can only see the legs of the person
 
Apparently when it was covered on the local news Facebook page, the local pigeon fanciers were all over it, saying how pleased they were!

In my experience, they have a real deep hatred of both urban Peregrines and Sparrowhawks, which constantly spook and occasionally take their prized pigeons.

Needless to say their replies didn’t go down well with the 99.9% of local non-pigeon fanciers.

Raptor persecution is still a huge issue in the UK, just look what happened to the Hen Harrier on or near driven grouse moors. You also struggle to find any Peregrines on or near driven grouse moors, but apparently that’s ok as urban Peregrines typically do well 😡
 
Hen Harrier numbers are actually on the increase according to recent surveys.


Peregrins will always be rare over moorland because of habitat. They prefer cliffs, quarries and rocky coastal areas to nest. Tall buildings in urban environments substitute that, plus the never ending supply of feral pigeon means the species benefit massively. The biggest killer was pesticides in the food chain.

No excuse for breaking the eggs, guy should be strung up
 
In 2013 there wasn’t a single breeding Hen Harrier in England. By 2016 the RSPB in partnership with UU had 3 successful nests on UU’s Bowland Estate.

The RSPB started to ask questions of DEFRA and NE, specifically asking why they were strangely absent from all the pristine Hen Harrier habitat on or near driven grouse moors? The likes of Wild Justice and Raptor Persecution UK also came to be and asking the same questions.

As a result the Moorland Association, DEFRA and NE all saw their own arses and were forced to act. Along came the ridiculous brood management plan and along with a few sympathetic estates, the Hen Harrier population quickly reached 10% of what it could be but then conveniently stalled.

The persecution continues like the breeding male from RSPB Geltsdale, which was shot and recovered on a neighbouring estate in the summer of 2023!

The current situation is all smoke and mirrors and especially when you have the likes of Ian Botham writing in the Daily Mail, stating that Hen Harriers are a useful weapon to the RSPB, because if there were enough Hen Harriers, it would put the shoots out of business. Tells gamekeepers all that they need to know 👍🏼

I constantly ask people connected to grouse shooting to explain those 2013 to 2016 Hen Harrier figures and mostly it results in complete tumble weeds. Although one guy a couple of weeks back, tried to tell me that Hen Harriers are not threatened globally. WTF is that supposed to mean in relation to England?

As for Peregrines near grouse moors, checkout this video or lookup Terry Pickford’s videos on YouTube.

And lets not forget Short-eared Owls in this video.

I’m really quite passionate about raptor conservation/persecution and its made me no friends on various social media outlets. Been kicked off several moorland facebook pages, blocked by individuals and even threatened with violence on several occasions! Mostly because I simply try the discuss those 2013 to 2016 figures!

All said this is why I get quite angry when the under pressure shooting industry, tries to cosy up with angling!
 
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Rich Lowe said:
Hen Harrier numbers are actually on the increase according to recent surveys
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Well numbers could barely get much worse than they reached a few years back. They have been systematically persecuted by moorland gamekeepers, the evidence is incontrovertible.

You will find most of the recent breeding successes are not on land used for grouse shooting.

Peregrines have also suffered at the hands of moorland keepers, there is plenty of suitable habitat across the peak district national park, yet you will find more peregrines in the city of London.
 
I have a holiday home in Norfolk last weekend whilst sitting in a pub garden next to breyden water I was watching a marsh harrier hunting on the opposite bank everyone else in the pub garden was totally oblivious to it … I’ve always said that British wildlife should be taught in schools as a specific lesson …. Most millennials couldn’t tell you what a blue tit looks like
 
Terry Harman said:
I have a holiday home in Norfolk last weekend whilst sitting in a pub garden next to breyden water I was watching a marsh harrier hunting on the opposite bank everyone else in the pub garden was totally oblivious to it … I’ve always said that British wildlife should be taught in schools as a specific lesson …. Most millennials couldn’t tell you what a blue tit looks like
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That’s one of my biggest frustrations, if we properly taught environmental studies in schools, covering human impacts, land use, food production, energy, nature……. we’d live in a far better country, where people actually cared about and considered their own impact on the environment. You could change mindsets in a generation!

Why would you not want to teach kids about the differences between red admiral and peacock butterflies; stoats and weasels; song thrushes and mistle thrushes; oak trees and ash trees; and of course barbel and chub 😁 Kids love this kind of stuff, so sow the seed early.

Clearly it’s considered to be far too political FFS!
 
Neil Blood said:
That’s one of my biggest frustrations, if we properly taught environmental studies in schools, covering human impacts, land use, food production, energy, nature……. we’d live in a far better country, where people actually cared about and considered their own impact on the environment. You could change mindsets in a generation!

Why would you not want to teach kids about the differences between red admiral and peacock butterflies; stoats and weasels; song thrushes and mistle thrushes; oak trees and ash trees; and of course barbel and chub 😁 Kids love this kind of stuff, so sow the seed early.

Clearly it’s considered to be far too political FFS!
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I totally agree, if we teach kids to understand and how to take care for nature and the environment and all within it, they would grow up to treat people with much more thought and care too also, the world would be a better place.
 
I live in Norfolk and fish the rivers regularly.
I never have a "blank" day. I may not catch many fish, but, if I'm lucky I will always see something of interest such as a marsh harrier, swallowtail butterfly, short-eared owls even (as I saw a few days before the end of the season) a bittern.
I've seen countless otters and despite their bad reputation amongst anglers, watching a mother with her cubs is quite magical.
I am of a generation that didn't grow up with computer games. Me and my mates were always outside. We were aware of the wildlife around us. Can that awareness be "taught"? I guess it can but would the modern child be interested?
All I know is that I continue to be fascinated by the wildlife I see when fishing.
 
Ian Woods said:
I didn't read the report, but how are they so certain it was done by a person?
The eggs could have been koshed by a crow, raven, maggie etc?
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Peregrine's don't leave a clutch of three eggs unattended. They might leave two unattended and start incubating when the third is laid, but they will still be close by, to deter predators.

Crows etc. may 'express and interest', but none of those birds would risk injury by picking a serious fight with a nesting Peregrine.
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