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Trigga Ice

Regarding concerns over ingredients being omitted due to cost or non-availability, isn’t this true of most if not all long standing base mixes across all bait companies?

To this end, is JB’s Bio Shellfish the exact same recipe as when Tony Miles first used it?

I know one carp angler who took local waters apart with the original Nutrabaits Big Fish mix and he still uses it.

Even on the ingredient front, Haith’s Robin Red is different due to availability of ingredients.

Just because base mixes change and evolve, it doesn’t mean they should be dismissed. Elips Pellets are nothing like the originals, but they still catch Barbel.
 
Neil Blood said:
Regarding concerns over ingredients being omitted due to cost or non-availability, isn’t this true of most if not all long standing base mixes across all bait companies?

To this end, is JB’s Bio Shellfish the exact same recipe as when Tony Miles first used it?

I know one carp angler who took local waters apart with the original Nutrabaits Big Fish mix and he still uses it.

Even on the ingredient front, Haith’s Robin Red is different due to availability of ingredients.

Just because base mixes change and evolve, it doesn’t mean they should be dismissed. Elips Pellets are nothing like the originals, but they still catch Barbel.
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The problem is when bait companies insist the ingredients are the same from the original ones used back in the eighties/ nineties.
Why don’t they just say a few things had to be changed because of unavailability / cost , instead of riding on the laurels of the old bait .
 
Kevin Brown said:
The problem is when bait companies insist the ingredients are the same from the original ones used back in the eighties/ nineties.
Why don’t they just say a few things had to be changed because of unavailability / cost , instead of riding on the laurels of the old bait .
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You are exactly right.

It is a potential can of worms. I could name one well known bait that was/has been/maybe still is available in about 5 different versions. IF you get the best version then it is significantly more productive than the run of the mill stuff….a little bit extra of the ‘right stuff’ makes a big difference.

Sometimes the changes are forced on the supplier; but sometimes they are made for commercial reasons. Whatever the circumstances; it seems that the customer is often the last to know.

That constitutes about the best argument in favour of making your own bait - quality control.
 
If you read The Evolution of Trigga on the Nutrabaits website, it talks about “the magic powder”. So you would assume this is the unique ingredient on which both base mixes are built, along with the mentioned pre-digested fish meals, krill powder, CLO……

Are we saying that the unique magic powder is no longer available? If its no longer available then I see the ruse, but I dont see anywhere that Nutrabaits claim that the overall recipe hasn’t changed.

My reason for showing an interest in Trigga/Trigga Ice, is because I’ve been considering rolling my own and using it for a Barbel campaign on a small river.
 
Neil Blood said:
If you read The Evolution of Trigga on the Nutrabaits website, it talks about “the magic powder”. So you would assume this is the unique ingredient on which both base mixes are built, along with the mentioned pre-digested fish meals, krill powder, CLO……

Are we saying that the unique magic powder is no longer available? If its no longer available then I see the ruse, but I dont see anywhere that Nutrabaits claim that the overall recipe hasn’t changed.

My reason for showing an interest in Trigga/Trigga Ice, is because I’ve been considering rolling my own and using it for a Barbel campaign on a small river.
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Like I said I’ve read from various sources and verbally that the original Trigga ingredient ie Trigerol is long gone and the German company who made it , Nutrabaits substitute for Trigerol is BAFs liver hydroslate , which I have in my bait cupboard but sadly I don’t have the Nutrabaits Trigga liquid to compare .
 
Kevin Brown said:
Like I said I’ve read from various sources and verbally that the original Trigga ingredient ie Trigerol is long gone and the German company who made it , Nutrabaits substitute for Trigerol is BAFs liver hydroslate , which I have in my bait cupboard but sadly I don’t have the Nutrabaits Trigga liquid to compare .
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Ok with you now 👍🏻

Of interest, when I approached Nutrabaits asking why they had no recommended base mix Barbel recipes on their website, they advised to elevate the levels of liver powder 🙂
 
Neil Blood said:
If you read The Evolution of Trigga on the Nutrabaits website, it talks about “the magic powder”. So you would assume this is the unique ingredient on which both base mixes are built, along with the mentioned pre-digested fish meals, krill powder, CLO……

Are we saying that the unique magic powder is no longer available? If its no longer available then I see the ruse, but I dont see anywhere that Nutrabaits claim that the overall recipe hasn’t changed.

My reason for showing an interest in Trigga/Trigga Ice, is because I’ve been considering rolling my own and using it for a Barbel campaign on a small river.
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The "magic powder" was the Trigarol in powdered form.
 
I use all nutrabaits basemixes, and catch loads of barbel and chub, no matter what basemixes you use, I think it is what oil and liquid foods you use, just don't go over the top on what you put in it, if the basemixes have changed like it has been mention, it still works, no company can keep the same mix, they have to alter it slightly, so be it, but a top bait in my armour, just got to use it right, only way to catch fish is through it's belly, but I would not change from nutrabaits, it stood the test of time with me, used to use hinuval , they can't get the right ingredients for the old version, not try the new version, but nutrabaits I have had some impressive catches.
But I would of thought , all basemixes out there, will catch barbel, just got to have faith if what you use
 
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To be honest I think we all overthink it when it comes to bait. If we can catch them on bread, sweet corn and pellets then I'm pretty sure as long as the boilie is from a good reputable company and has some decent ingredients in (fish meals, liver powder, milks etc) then Its going to catch barbel.
Having confidence in the boilie we're using is the main thing. Aswell as a bit of patience too.
 
The latest versions of Trigga / BFM should be renamed because they are not the same product they used to be , they are advertising under false pretences, any newcomer to the hobby is made to believe they are using the highly successful baits of 20/30 years ago and they are most definitely not .
Not saying there’s anything wrong with today’s basemix’s , but I don’t think they’ve had the same impact as the original baits .
 
Someone mentioned source earlier, that’s another one that’s changed. I’ve always liked it but a few years back felt I wasn’t catching like I used to on it. Then found it is substantially different than the original, although I can’t remember why. Someone West Country way produces a bait more in line with the original recipe (it was his recipe to start with). Anyway, I’ve binned off the dynamite one and aside from nostalgia can’t say I miss it.
 
Think we should let the fish tell us .
Wasn’t around at the time but Triggas initial release was nothing short of spectacular, ( but I witnessed BFM taking waters over ) nether BFM or Trigga have that same impact on lakes that have never seen those baits before .
Both catch fish today but I don’t think they have the same results on lakes as they originally did .
Therefore I conclude there not as attractive to the fish as they originally were .
Keep getting told the Cell isn’t the same as the original bait , different colour , texture , smell etc
If Trigga was the be all and end all of baits we’d all be using it , and we’re not .
 
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Christian Tyroll said:
Someone mentioned source earlier, that’s another one that’s changed. I’ve always liked it but a few years back felt I wasn’t catching like I used to on it. Then found it is substantially different than the original, although I can’t remember why. Someone West Country way produces a bait more in line with the original recipe (it was his recipe to start with). Anyway, I’ve binned off the dynamite one and aside from nostalgia can’t say I miss it.
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It's definitely changed Christian . They've changed the robin red which is no fault of there own as haiths changed the recipe but that's not the only thing that has changed. Also, marcus watts is the man you're talking about, he owns future baits and mirage baits. I did want to try his source bait which he calls reservoir specials, originally called resource but changed the name for legal reasons I think. I've never got round to using his bait though although I do think the man knows what he's talking about bait wise. 👍
 
From when I spoke to Dave Moore about this -

I have the original recipe because it was sort of a compromise on a bait I was using in the late 90's. I would suggest today it would be far to expensive as a commercially viable bait. Think the last time I priced it up it was working out at around £9/kilo for the base mix alone. Once you add eggs rolling, bagging and distribution costs you would be looking at somewhere close to £22/23/kilo retail.

"It's commercial name is Trigarol and comes in both powdered and liquid form. It's mainly hydrolysed chicken liver and is made for the pet food industry. It has changed over the last 20 years because dogs and cats get bored of eating same flavoured food, so they are constantly changing the recipe. I have the complete break down of the original form. It does contain some additives that are pointless for carp, so these days if I need any I blend my own. It's also in a few other commercial baits.

The quality of the chicken hydro is very important and how far they have taken the process during it's manufacture. I have recently built and developed a commercial hydrolysis machine and if you take the process to far the end product can vary significantly. My experiments over the last 2 years have been an eye opener. I now believe I can target specific peptide bonds in protein chains, which can transform any ingredient. It can't give it a higher Nutritional value but it can make it more Nutritionally available.

BAF liver isn't Trigarol but a very good less expensive alternative."

From Bill Cottam -

"From Big Bill himself "We built the prototype mix around high quality, low temperature and Pre-Digested Fish Meals and Krill, Sluis CLO, Casein, Whey Protein, Kelp Powder, Betaine HCI, Vitamins and Minerals along with an educated guesstimate at the inclusion rates of our new wonder powder and liquid, from there website I forgot to add liver."

25% pre-digested fish meal and krill, 25% milks. The rest being made up of CLO, meat meals, marine extracts. Trigga Ice contains paprika oleoresin."

Salmon meal,
Sardine and Anchovy
Krill meal,
bio CP,
CLO or EMP,
kelp granules,
30 mesh casein,
whey gel,
WPC 60,
Lecathin,
soya flour,
lamlac,
trigga powder (chicken liver powder)
trigga liquid (chicken liver liquid)
 
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