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I do recommend that you follow the link in Jim Collin's post re Bewdley, just look at the catch returns of those boys. Dave Foxall, my brother, has caught shed loads of barbel and has consistently been around the top places. Sure, buying the bait is a bit pricey, but this is insignificunt when compared to the prize money at steak. And he does use relatively fine tackle, often going down to a size 20 hook which most forum members would not consider.

Dave, is available for guiding as I mentioned in my previous post on this topic. He can sauce the bait and he will be able to get this at a discounted rate. Maggots and castors are a commodity, like anything else. If you buy in advance then you will know the price that you will buying at. However, if you buy on the "spot" market then you might be able to pick them up cheaper or they could be expensive. Dave tends to club together with his mates and buy by the barrel rather than by the gallon.

Let me know if you wish to take up Dave's offer. Obviously, success is never guaranteed, but I'll tag along and we'll have a great day come what may. His rates are negotiable but start around a £100 a day, bait would be on top of this. There's no kneed to wait until the season opens as I know some stretches of river which are privately owned and are open all year round for barbel fishing.
 
Jim Foxall said:
There's no kneed to wait until the season opens as I know some stretches of river which are privately owned and are open all year round for barbel fishing.
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Is that true?? :confused:
Taken from the environment agency website.... "The coarse fish close season (15 March – 15 June inclusive) applies to all rivers, streams and drains in England and Wales, but not to most stillwaters and canal"
 
I have checked Jim and it wasn't April 1st.

Surely to God that is far too much bait, I reckon if you could afford to but that amount of bait and the cost of a guide perhaps fishing is not for you, in fact that sounds more like desperation, having to concentrate all the fish so tightly so you can pick 'em off, tough on those that have to share the river and don't have those resources to spend.

In my opinion guiding like this does spoil it for others, to line someones pockets for a few fish is something I cannot agree with,especially throwing so much at it by feeding the fish to such an extent that those that follow will find it tough.

Sorry to be miserable about this Jim, you are a thoroughly decent chap, just my opinion.
 
Sam Lloyd said:
Is that true?? :confused:
Taken from the environment agency website.... "The coarse fish close season (15 March – 15 June inclusive) applies to all rivers, streams and drains in England and Wales, but not to most stillwaters and canal"
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Certainly...Privately owned makes no difference.

Are you on the sauce Jim :)
 
Neil Smart said:
Certainly...Privately owned makes no difference.

Are you on the sauce Jim :)
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Good to hear from you Neil. Yes, I certainly have used sauce boilies in the past. In connection with Sam's post above, we have a small syndicate who fish a stretch owned by a farmer, he charges us a modest £20 each for the close season months. He has assured us that it is ok to fish his stretch during the close season as his part of the river is a non-breeding area and would not contravene any laws/rules. The bigger barbel that come out of his section of river do seem to be on the large side during the close season, probably because of the abundant food sauce. He has told us he has made all the necessary checks to the legality of fishing and that's it absolutely fine.

Back to the maggots. If you buy from a tackle shop , they will cost you at least £10 a gallon. We import maggots by the barrel (around about 38 gallons per barrel). They are imported from Vietnam where the maggots are produced from chicken carcasses. These maggots are not quite as big as our home grown maggots as they are produced from a fly, the size of which is somewhere between a squot and a blower fly. The maggots work out at around about £40 a barrel, depending on the prevailing exchange rate at the time. Hence we quite often buy when the exchange rate is in our favour. Vietnam supplies markets all over the World, and prices tend to go up during the fishing season, due to supply and demand, that's why we are providing the Vietnamese with firm orders now at a fixed price and an agreed exchange rate. Sometimes we get it wrong but a member of our syndicate works in the futures market and we rely on him to get it right most of the time.
 
Jim F, once again you've brought a smile to my face.... Vietnamese maggots... I ask you....:rolleyes:

But I'd rather you didn't lead viewers of bfw on about illegal closed season fishing.

I suspect you know that fishing a river for coarse fish between 15th March and 15th June inclusive is illegal, regardless as to whether its private or not, and I guess your just 'casting a bait' for those of a slightly more gullible nature.... sadly it could be construed as 'antagonistic' by some, which would go against the rules of BFW.


Regards,

Steve
 
Steve Williams said:
Jim F, once again you've brought a smile to my face.... Vietnamese maggots... I ask you....:rolleyes:

But I'd rather you didn't lead viewers of bfw on about illegal closed season fishing.

I suspect you know that fishing a river for coarse fish between 15th March and 15th June inclusive is illegal, regardless as to whether its private or not, and I guess your just 'casting a bait' for those of a slightly more gullible nature.... sadly it could be construed as 'antagonistic' by some, which would go against the rules of BFW.


Regards,

Steve
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Yep I thought I had been had a bit this morning Steve, but I did confirm that Kiddy AC do have these events where Barbel are match fished and there is a considerable prize fund. So it would appear the motivation would be the £££ as in fact Jim alluded to in his post.

Fishing for summer barbel with a wag and mag approach would be perhaps not the best way to go out about it, however that is my thoughts,and as far as the wind up about the close season, that is probably what it was.
 
Jim has been posting one or two wind-ups recently, all good fun. Unless of course somebody DOES take it seriously, as Steve said!

Might end up with a bunch of large bruisers outside his door 'encouraging' him to pay their fines :D:D

Cheers, Dave.
 
I've just received a somewhat worrying e:mail from the Health & Safety Executive. Unbeknown to me the maggots from Vietnam were feeding on dead chickens. What I didn't know was that there was a mass slaughter of chickens in Vietnam with the deadly HN1 birdflue virus. The HSE believe that this virus could have got into the maggot food chain. When we were riddling the maggots, any that seemed lifeless were put aside and sold to fishing tackle shops. We did use surgical gloves when riddling as there were bits of decomposing chicken mixed in with the maggots. However, some maggots may have been infected which were yet to show symtoms.

As the HSE lady pointed out, for example, if the maggots were eaten by a small fish, and a heren eats the fish and then an otter eats the heren, then the otter could die from a mutated form of birdflue. If we had known about the infected maggots, then we would have washed them with Jeyes disinfectant and they would have been fine.

I guess that this does not pose much threat to humans unless you are handling otters or direcly handling the maggots. I have to confess to be feeling off colour and in the light of the HSE wonder if I have contracted the virus, which is a worry to me but maybe not to some. It was suggested that I should be isolated whilst test were carried out on me. But as I pointed out, to the HSE exec, why should I go to some isolated ward for a few weeks, I wouldn't be able to go down to the pub in the evenings. I'm going to go about my usual every day business, if I get worse, then I'll try some neuryfens, these tablets seem to fix most things.
 
Jeys fluid would not control a virus. What you need is a solution of Tri Sodium Phoshate. Just wash the maggots in a bucket of TSP and job done, also give your HSE representative a spray down and that should reaasure her that you are taking their advice seriously. With all the talk of salt being a fish attractor there may also be an added benefit.
It is just as well you were dealing with Vietnamese maggots and not Cambodian ones as I hear they are really nasty.
 
Colin Bridger said:
Jeys fluid would not control a virus. What you need is a solution of Tri Sodium Phoshate. Just wash the maggots in a bucket of TSP and job done, also give your HSE representative a spray down and that should reaasure her that you are taking their advice seriously. With all the talk of salt being a fish attractor there may also be an added benefit.
It is just as well you were dealing with Vietnamese maggots and not Cambodian ones as I hear they are really nasty.
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Hi Colin, I didn't realise that TCP stuff you mentioned is the same as salt. I know my kids use to use TCP for cuts and sprains so I suppose that it must kill the birdflue thing. We would never buy Cambodian maggits because of ethycal reasons. Apparently quite a lot of people were killed there for no apparent reason by a guy called Pit Poll. Anyway, they don't seem to be in the maggot market anyway.
 
That's where you're wrong Jim - Cambodia are major players in the maggot market.
That Pit Poll fella even used to eat them himself -

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Mark Nicholls said:
That's where you're wrong Jim - Cambodia are major players in the maggot market.
That Pit Poll fella even used to eat them himself -

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That explains why they didn't export them. They do look very fine maggots though, might have to consider importing some of them on a trial basis. It must be the elephant flies that produce them. Apparently these flies are the size of a sparrow. I'm surprised that one of those meteorologist people who are into insects haven't tried to establish a breeding colony in the UK. Although you wouldn't get many to the pint.
 
Jim Foxall said:
Hi Colin, I didn't realise that TCP stuff you mentioned is the same as salt. I know my kids use to use TCP for cuts and sprains so I suppose that it must kill the birdflue thing. We would never buy Cambodian maggits because of ethycal reasons. Apparently quite a lot of people were killed there for no apparent reason by a guy called Pit Poll. Anyway, they don't seem to be in the maggot market anyway.
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Hi Jim,

I think you are getting all yer letters muddled mate, it's not TCP you want, it's DDT...sounds similar, but I don't fink it's the same. Anyway, it don't do nuffin for flew, not that I herd anyway? It seems like you use it on yer maggits, and then when the fish get it down them, an the otters scoff them, it evenchaly ensures there is always more fish then otters :eek: Dont ask mate, I didnt get it eather. Whatever, this expert I was on about, hoo I met down the pub, said that DDT can be got in their food chains...least, I fink that was it. I never new fish ad food chains as well mate....did you? What do ya reccon...fink they have KFC, or what? Anyway, he reckons it is really effective, given time to work. Can't argue with that, can ya? Funny thing is, he reckons it's nuffin new, been around since the seventies, but then he lost me a bit, kept prattlin on about a band or summit, I dunno....didn't get their name anyway. Still, I got the main bit, so that's OK innit? Goo on Jim, get on it mate!

Viet cong maggits Jim!....you bin sittin in yer shed again after prunin them plants of yours mate? I've told you before to give up on them ruddy daft things, they never flower or nuffin, and then you get so tired prunin them you can ardly walk, even after avin a little rest in yer shed.

Never mind mate, if yer get puffed out easy, it aint your fault....and at least yer brave enough to keep smilin through it all.

Cheers, Dave.
 
I'm starting to regret ever starting this thread. I am also becoming increasingly concerned about the state of mind of some barbel anglers and can only assume that I will end up the same. I will now need to delve quite deep into the many replies to the first post to extract the sane advice. Thanks to all.
 
David Gauntlett said:
Hi Jim,

I think you are getting all yer letters muddled mate, it's not TCP you want, it's DDT...sounds similar, but I don't fink it's the same. Anyway, it don't do nuffin for flew, not that I herd anyway? It seems like you use it on yer maggits, and then when the fish get it down them, an the otters scoff them, it evenchaly ensures there is always more fish then otters :eek: Dont ask mate, I didnt get it eather. Whatever, this expert I was on about, hoo I met down the pub, said that DDT can be got in their food chains...least, I fink that was it. I never new fish ad food chains as well mate....did you? What do ya reccon...fink they have KFC, or what? Anyway, he reckons it is really effective, given time to work. Can't argue with that, can ya? Funny thing is, he reckons it's nuffin new, been around since the seventies, but then he lost me a bit, kept prattlin on about a band or summit, I dunno....didn't get their name anyway. Still, I got the main bit, so that's OK innit? Goo on Jim, get on it mate!

Viet cong maggits Jim!....you bin sittin in yer shed again after prunin them plants of yours mate? I've told you before to give up on them ruddy daft things, they never flower or nuffin, and then you get so tired prunin them you can ardly walk, even after avin a little rest in yer shed.

Never mind mate, if yer get puffed out easy, it aint your fault....and at least yer brave enough to keep smilin through it all.

Cheers, Dave.
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To be honest, Dave, I didn't get a lot of what you was saying in your post. But anyhow, I do remember that DDT, and it was cracking stuff, I still have some in a puffer pack. It has a horrible smell but it is very effective against pests. I think that it caused thin shells in eggs and that's why I think that DDT did for the otters. After the otters laid there eggs, they would roll around a bit and the eggs would break.

I think that you got KFC muddled up with the band KLF. I'm really looking forward to me KFC tonight. We normally have a familly bucket on a Saturday night. I enjoy a glass of fine wine with it, normally a Sancerre or Pouilly Fume and the wife and kids have coke. Just an aside, Tesco have Villa Maria Private Bin on a special at the moment. Black Forest gateau or a creme caramel to follow, heaven.

You might remember Mehong, she nursed me back to health after the Kevlar rod debacle. Well she does the maggot deals as she speaks the lingo. Why she has so many people around just to buy and import a few barrels of maggots seems odd. Our phone bill is horrendous as she is constantly on the phone to friends in Vietnam discussing maggots. She also has some friends in the UK who look after the barrels of maggots when thay are landed. Apparently, they do a quality control check to see if the maggots are the right size, and believe it or not, they pay her for the privelege. I suspect that they might be stealing some of the maggots.
 
Jim Foxall said:
To be honest, Dave, I didn't get a lot of what you was saying in your post. But anyhow, I do remember that DDT, and it was cracking stuff, I still have some in a puffer pack. It has a horrible smell but it is very effective against pests. I think that it caused thin shells in eggs and that's why I think that DDT did for the otters. After the otters laid there eggs, they would roll around a bit and the eggs would break.

I think that you got KFC muddled up with the band KLF. I'm really looking forward to me KFC tonight. We normally have a familly bucket on a Saturday night. I enjoy a glass of fine wine with it, normally a Sancerre or Pouilly Fume and the wife and kids have coke. Just an aside, Tesco have Villa Maria Private Bin on a special at the moment. Black Forest gateau or a creme caramel to follow, heaven.

You might remember Mehong, she nursed me back to health after the Kevlar rod debacle. Well she does the maggot deals as she speaks the lingo. Why she has so many people around just to buy and import a few barrels of maggots seems odd. Our phone bill is horrendous as she is constantly on the phone to friends in Vietnam discussing maggots. She also has some friends in the UK who look after the barrels of maggots when thay are landed. Apparently, they do a quality control check to see if the maggots are the right size, and believe it or not, they pay her for the privelege. I suspect that they might be stealing some of the maggots.
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Jim mate, if you spent less time doing what you do in your shed, AND snorting DDT, you might be able to understand things better. Having said that, if you had understood that post, I would have found that even more worrying.......

A bucket of KFC and some fine wine sounds sounds rather refined Jim, as does the the Villa Maria Private Bin. A chap I used to know had a subtly different take on that theme. He had the KFC all right, but preferred Tennent's Super with his, mixed with any dregs he could find in the bottle bin at the back of the Red Lion....said the bucket came in handy later for any 'repeat showings' :eek:

Ah yes, your wonderful nurse Mehong....remember her well Jim, and her brother Wellhong. And that Kevlar rod thing, that was really weird mate....I mean, you were so unlucky getting all those splinters you say you had, especially there....I really don't understand how they could have got past the butt pad! Still, your luck changed for the better when it turned out that she was taught back home how to get snake venom out, and gave that method a try on the splinters. I new it was painful, 'cos I could hear you moaning from the other room! But, no matter how hard things got, come what may, the pair of you kept a stiff upper lip. Such a great pair.

As for the monster phone bills...by the tone of your comments, it seems you feel something doesn't ring true there mate? All I can say is don't get hung up about it fella, it may not be her in charge. For all you know, these 'friends' may have her over a barrel, especially if they got all worked up about her checking the size of their maggots.

Ah well, gota go mate. Keep on smiling.

Cheers, Dave.
 
David Gauntlett said:
Jim mate, if you spent less time doing what you do in your shed, AND snorting DDT, you might be able to understand things better. Having said that, if you had understood that post, I would have found that even more worrying.......

A bucket of KFC and some fine wine sounds sounds rather refined Jim, as does the the Villa Maria Private Bin. A chap I used to know had a subtly different take on that theme. He had the KFC all right, but preferred Tennent's Super with his, mixed with any dregs he could find in the bottle bin at the back of the Red Lion....said the bucket came in handy later for any 'repeat showings' :eek:

Ah yes, your wonderful nurse Mehong....remember her well Jim, and her brother Wellhong. And that Kevlar rod thing, that was really weird mate....I mean, you were so unlucky getting all those splinters you say you had, especially there....I really don't understand how they could have got past the butt pad! Still, your luck changed for the better when it turned out that she was taught back home how to get snake venom out, and gave that method a try on the splinters. I new it was painful, 'cos I could hear you moaning from the other room! But, no matter how hard things got, come what may, the pair of you kept a stiff upper lip. Such a great pair.

As for the monster phone bills...by the tone of your comments, it seems you feel something doesn't ring true there mate? All I can say is don't get hung up about it fella, it may not be her in charge. For all you know, these 'friends' may have her over a barrel, especially if they got all worked up about her checking the size of their maggots.

Ah well, gota go mate. Keep on smiling.

Cheers, Dave.
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By reading these posts you've got a nerve Dave;) calling us ribblers wierd:eek:
you lot have totally lost it and most certainly on something:p:D
 
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