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Ray Walton Centrepin

With reference to Ray Walton's rolling pin I must be pleased with them as I have just bought my third one. Two are permanently set up on my barbel leger rods with 30lb spiderwire stealth green braid. The latest reel is intended to go on the rod I use for rolling meat. I have just loaded it with 30lb spiderwire camo braid but I have to say this braid feels a lot stiffer than the green so until I have tried it out I will reserve my judgement on the camo.
One thing I will point out that is not explained in the instructions with Ray's reel is that you only have to press the button when turning the drum for casting, you do not have to press the button when bringing the drum back to a centrepin position.
I will say that it did take me a little while to get used to the rolling pin and it can be a little unerving feeling the slight movement in the mechanism but after a short time using them becomes second nature and I love them.
 
Martin Hemington said:
That's just it, one person has a problem with a product and yep they must be all rubbish and why not make sure you let everyone know it. So it lasted 10 seconds, yeah right. Had mine years, perfect for the job it was designed for.

I bought a new Guitar a month back and it had a faulty component. Maybe I should of gone on a website and "dissed" the company in front of other Guitarists. Or maybe ring the company and get it sorted.

Hmm let me think about that one.!!
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Never had that problem, I only play Gibsons and Taylor guitars !
 
Martin Hemington said:
What a load of bottom talk!!

Makes me laugh that people can slag off a product on the net just because they don't like it. But hey what do Youngs know about reel making and RW know about Barbel fishing.
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So whats wrong with honest opinion ,just because you like a tiny little cotton reel that is inferior and weak to a normal centrepin ,and you cannot cast a normal pin ,dont presume your say so is any more valid than mine.

Nobody doubts Youngs knowledge,but why does this make this product any good ,and what works for one man ,does not mean it is a great product,personally I think it is very poor reel ,and a blooming expensive mistake over a normal Youngs Pin ,and I the net comment is irrelevant and has no bearing,I will say it whether you like it or not.
 
I don't think theres any problem with differing views on products.

I thought the Korum 2 rod quiver (not the total protection one) was useless and only good for a 3 piece rod because of the balance and also thought the Korum Umbrella hopeless as mine broke around the top section after 2 hours.

Others here thought they were ok. Helps people make up their minds.
 
Chris Ponsford said:
So whats wrong with honest opinion ,just because you like a tiny little cotton reel that is inferior and weak to a normal centrepin ,and you cannot cast a normal pin ,dont presume your say so is any more valid than mine.

Nobody doubts Youngs knowledge,but why does this make this product any good ,and what works for one man ,does not mean it is a great product,personally I think it is very poor reel ,and a blooming expensive mistake over a normal Youngs Pin ,and I the net comment is irrelevant and has no bearing,I will say it whether you like it or not.
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I have never owned a Walton pin Chris, so on pretty dodgy ground here :p.....but, just from a logical point of view, based of what I read in this thread....does not the reverse of your comment (highlighted in red) hold true as well? Would it not be equally fair to say that just because something doesn't work for one person, does not make it rubbish? There seem to be an awful lot of people that DO like the reel.

Is it really fair to completely rubbish something just because YOU didn't get on with it?

Cheers, Dave.
 
Thanks for the input,Graham and Dave .

I respect Graham for his honesty ,and although a Korum Consultant that is fair input,it is only by using stuff and relating experiences can we learn and improve on products,and trust me at our consultant meetings at Telford,none of the boys hold back if we think things can be improved ,or shouldnt be brought to market.

Rays reel is a very pretty little thing ,and obviously has plenty of fans ,but I am not sentimental or gentle ,and I stand by my opinion .

The idea is not new,Alvey used to make huge surfcasting reels for Sea Fishing,and were very popular in South Africa and Australia using the same principal,but they were by design much more beefed up because of size.

Imho ,the Walton is too small ,too weak,and too slow on retrieve,and Teme Barbel find those weaknesses in seconds.

There is far too much bu--s-it talked in reviews ,and I feel the same way about cane rods ,sentiments and misty eyes are no substitute for modern technology and moving with the times.
 
Chris Ponsford said:
So whats wrong with honest opinion ,just because you like a tiny little cotton reel that is inferior and weak to a normal centrepin ,and you cannot cast a normal pin ,dont presume your say so is any more valid than mine.

Nobody doubts Youngs knowledge,but why does this make this product any good ,and what works for one man ,does not mean it is a great product,personally I think it is very poor reel ,and a blooming expensive mistake over a normal Youngs Pin ,and I the net comment is irrelevant and has no bearing,I will say it whether you like it or not.
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Ray Walton's reel is the only bearing reel I own. Had lot's of Barbel on said reel to 15lbs and Carp to 30 plus and it's never missed a beat. I prefer true pins and own Paul Witchers, Lythes, Carter and to many others. Can cast "Wallis style, Notingham style and anything in between.

Perhaps at 3.75 the spool is a tad small but a good percentage of pins are 4" so it's not to bad.

You may not like the reel and may not get on with it but as you say, that is your opinion, many would have a different view, but to slate it by saying it's inferior and weak is 100% just not so. There are hundreds of happy users.

I'll get me coat
 
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Fair enough,Martin,am quite prepared to accept that I am one that is not impressed with it,and loads are ,and will leave it at that.
Happy New Year ,
Pons
 
Ray Walton said:
The first Mk1 Rolling Pin has no twist to the front locking device, (which is simpler to use). The newer version MK2 'has', which stops the reel turning when playing a big fish. However, if you read the instructions there is really no problem with either if you already know how to use and play a fish on a pin in the normal way. The turning spool to the front feature is a great advantage for easy distant and accurate casting and saves learning the wallis cast etc which can be a pain and especially in windy conditions. There is always a deliberate slight play in the turning mechanism to allow the feature to work correctly. Over time with wear and tear, it may loosen and create the 'wobble' on the switch as mentioned, but it can be easily tightened back up yourself or by sending it back to JW Young/Masterline. Really, there is no problem if you use it correctly! I have not changed back to a fixed spool or other pin since the MK1 Rolling Pin was introduced in 1996 and the MK2 around 2003 onwards and have hooked, played and landed an untold amount of 15's, 3 different 17's (including the British Record) and an 18.13 with absolutely no problems whatsoever. If one of my pins becomes a bit loose from wear and tear (just like car parts), I send it back to have it tightened, or have a new switch fitted, if necessary, which is usually free of charge to anyone anyway. As mentioned, everyone to his own.
As with line twist, i also use braid which virtually eliminates it. If you use mono and have problems, try changing to a pre-stretched mono like the old Drennen Double strength or other, but go well above the breaking strain you would normally use as it is a lot thinner.
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I only could afford a preowned MK1 Walton and it came with the obligatory slight play wear wobble.....OK it aint bagged any monster Barbel but its coped admirably with carp to 35.4 and the wobble is still as it was when bought 3 years back...Im a fan
 
Chris Lyons centerpin pin cast! - YouTube hope the link works, i was going to buy a ray walton pin, i fish on a tight budgit however i realy thought it would be worth saving up, i fish with a leeds centre pin it cost me 25 quid, took ages to get used to it however i saw the side cast method in the clip and it works, if you want to use a pin on a big river but cant get the distance try it, it works with braid the best,other than that the leeds is great. you can cast 30 yds with a feeder or 5 oz lead on and have the benifits of a baitfeeder for casting.
 
Chris, Mr Walton must have had more than a few on the same reel with out it giving up. Maybe you had a dud or got something wrong?
 
Keith - thanks for posting the video. Looks like a kind of modified Wallis cast, but the vid's not long enough to see in much detail. Have you tried it? I usually use a Nottingham cast as I don't need to cast far (perhaps 2 to 3 rod lengths max).
 
Richard Parsons said:
Keith - thanks for posting the video. Looks like a kind of modified Wallis cast, but the vid's not long enough to see in much detail. Have you tried it? I usually use a Nottingham cast as I don't need to cast far (perhaps 2 to 3 rod lengths max).
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Yes i use it on the ribble its very wide where i fish and therefore out of wallis cast reach, and i end up with a birds nest if i try to cast feeders and heavy leads.
All he did was take the reel off the rod,hold the reel in the left hand with the side faceing the river where you want to cast to, and the rod in the other. with the line trapped with your finger reel seat upwards,as soon as tension is felt let the line go and follow the end gear to the water,trap the line again as soon as it hits and quickly re fit the reel. Started on the back field just doing it gently as i am cack handed,then on the river short casts at first then after a few sessions i have found i can cast a good 3/4 the way over the ribble at the tickled trout, and on the severn at Arley and Highley almost all the way over.
I NEVER USE IT IN FLOOD THOUGH!
I do have bait runners but love the pin,and as i said that leeds pin was a budgit buy but its just the job,and wanted to fish at distance therefore considered ray waltons pin just for the casting distance ! hope that helps ish!
 
Cheers Keith for the good explanation. I fish the Goyt so won't need to use it any time soon. I love fishing with 'pins too, so definitely one for the future. :)
 
Colin Bridger said:
Chris, Mr Walton must have had more than a few on the same reel with out it giving up. Maybe you had a dud or got something wrong?
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Hi Colin .
I love the idea in principle ,as Centrepins are super reels ,no question.

Many is the time that I have taken folk when guiding and they have turned extolling the virtues of their pins ,telling me how good they are with them ,and can cast anywhere with them .

The facts are that very,very few can cast them well,and on the larger rivers a competent angler using a fixed spool reel can consistently cast the baits anywhere on the river,time on time ,and accurately.

Rays little reel is beautifully made no question ,but the Bob James lightweight that it was replaced with by Masterline is an altogether better reel for me,utterly reliable,strong and lightweight ,and gives sterling service whenever I use it . Most of the time I use it stalking Big Carp on lakes ,either on float,lead or floating baits . For that it is brilliant and my first choice.

If I go on smaller rivers ,it also gets used ,as it's playing abilities are superb and a pleasure.
 
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