looking at getting 2 new 12ft rods 2.25tc???

[Chris Jones]

Why have I got a strange sense of deja vu?
A bloke asks a simple question, gets some answers and then gets, not genuine answers, but the "you don't want to do it like than" routine. We get it, this kind of thing isn't your bag, bully for you. Why bother even bother to reply to the thread though?:confused: It's hardly likely that your sage advice about 1.25lb rods, or which aspect of fishing floats your boat, is going to be of any use whatsoever.

 

[Wayne Glossop]

sorry lads i cant possibly believe you know what your on about, if i chuck less than 8oz out on the swim i fish i may aswel chuck 2oz out, come and fish where i do your 1.75 rods will be all but useless, if you think the trent is an easy river then you obviously fished the places renowned for barbel, i know i can go and have at least 20 in 1 session, how many of you have fished the trent and had a double.
Iv fished a smaller river and caught loads and loads also caught the same fish 4 times as its a place they hold however we can all look at the smaller rivers and almost guarantee theres barbel under that tree near that snag etc etc, you have to find features on the tidal trent and also have seriously horrible banks to consider.

wake up lads!!!! personally it sounds like most of you would use dinghy to cross the english channel rather than a ferry.

 

[Wayne Glossop]

Why have I got a strange sense of deja vu?
A bloke asks a simple question, gets some answers and then gets, not genuine answers, but the "you don't want to do it like than" routine. We get it, this kind of thing isn't your bag, bully for you. Why bother even bother to reply to the thread though?:confused: It's hardly likely that your sage advice about 1.25lb rods, or which aspect of fishing floats your boat, is going to be of any use whatsoever.

spot on with that Chris!!!!!

 

[Robert Beal]

Why have I got a strange sense of deja vu?
A bloke asks a simple question, gets some answers and then gets, not genuine answers, but the "you don't want to do it like than" routine. We get it, this kind of thing isn't your bag, bully for you. Why bother even bother to reply to the thread though?:confused: It's hardly likely that your sage advice about 1.25lb rods, or which aspect of fishing floats your boat, is going to be of any use whatsoever.

Exactly Chris , I have fished small rivers and yeah you need different skills but what got me about the replies previous to yours was that apparently you need no watercraft to fish the trent and just chuck it in and wait !!!!!!!! think some people need to have another go on there , fishing is fishing and regardless of where you fish you need different tactics , I have got to the stage with this site where I wouldnt ask anyone on it for advice for the exact reason you outlined !!!!!!!

 

[Kevin Daly]

Robert, Wayne has already stated he knows rods like this exist though god only knows why. If fact he has some but two foot longer. Now I would have thought that two foot essential on a venue like this. Essential, just to keep a bit more line out of the water and reduce the drag. Why does he want to make his local conditions worse? Please answer that as well Wayne I am intrigued.
Just an observation guys, any company making a rod blank to cast half a pound 40 yards as its prime design feature is going out of business PDQ.

 

[Wayne Glossop]

Fished the Trent for 7 seasons mate, 2 on the tidal and 5 on the middle, the tidal is nowhere near as difficult as most would have you believe, and the middle is a pussycat I still have the occasional trip up there but it's usually for a social, the next time I go I'm only taking a telescopic beachcaster and a cheap old no name reel as that is all that is required.
The middle Severn is a much more demanding river on knowledge needed to succeed and understand the variety of swims, and that's not even accounting for the river conditions, I've seen it come up 3 mtrs overnight and drop 2 the following day.
You Trent lads fish the easiest barbel river in the country and make out it's something special.......It's not..........Get over it.

not been funny mate but your wrong!!!! if the severn is so hard why is there "BARBEL ALLEY" is that full of roach?????

 

[Kevin Daly]

Nahh Chub Wayne
Bin out in the cold and chopped some wood so I can be civil now.
Wayne I have in the past popped a 8oz weight over the 200 yard mark on the tournament field, Just. So therefore I know a blank like this exists The first rod I ever did this with was a Conoflex DC8 with an extra wrap that The guy who ran it then McManus would put on for you if you were daft enough to ask for it. I say Daft cos trying to bend one of these was a job for a younger stronger back than the one I possess now. I cannot even begin to explain why I did it but I measured the test curve on my DC8 special it was 12 lbs give or take a bit. I used 2lb Whitby boat weights which in that day we never thought of calibrating so the 12 isn’t exact. What this has to do with fishing any tidal river? Naff all mate except to illustrate rods built for fresh water fishing are not going to chuck 8oz lumps without the potential for a monumental wallet wrenching bang. Gut yourself some 2nd hand 3lb armalites of eBay buy don’t expect to enjoy the sporting bit after you have wacked your end gear out. PS have you considered breakout leads? If it aint too snaggy it may just keep it a bit more enjoyable for you.

 

[David Slater]

Im using 2 of the Teme severn big river / flood rods .... although they are not rated on their TC they really are a great rod for fishing the lower severn. They are also ideal for fishing 5oz plus leads and big 5oz feeders. Ive used them when the lower is carrying 5 metres plus of flood water ..... no problems. They also have a nice through action and great for playing smaller barbel.

 

[Adrian Williams]

not been funny mate but your wrong!!!! if the severn is so hard why is there "BARBEL ALLEY" is that full of roach?????

I'm not saying the Severn is hard but it is nowhere near as easy as the Trent, I remember one day turning up to fish the Trent at three pm and ordering a steak in the Bromley arms at 9pm having caught twenty barbel.....including three doubles.
Another day I fished I had five doubles out of twelve fish and two of them were 11's, my best fish from there was a 12.6 which came on the first cast of the day to nothing more sophisticated than a simple pellet feeder carrying no more than 2oz of lead with double elipse on the hair, the same rig and bait that I had been using on the Seven a couple of days before.......It's hardly rocket science.
Interesting you should bring up "Barbel alley". It's a little known fact that that name was promoted by the BAA in the mid 80's to put more bums on seatboxes when attendance at the big weekly open matches started to drop. Yes there were a few banker swims between Bridgnorth and Stourport which would throw up 100Lb bags of immature Barbel in the 2-4Lb class and for a while you would need 100lb to frame but you have to put that in to context, those matches would attract 80 to 100 of the best river anglers in the country and around half of them who weren't sitting on a barbel swim would blank. Another 30% would catch a few chub and silvers up to around 10lb or so and the other 20% would land a few barbel. The river has matured and moved on since those days, and is now a bit more of a challenge, hence the reason many of the regular swallows (summer visitors) have moved on to the Wye and the Trent.

 

[Paul Hamer]

sorry lads i cant possibly believe you know what your on about, if i chuck less than 8oz out on the swim i fish i may aswel chuck 2oz out, come and fish where i do your 1.75 rods will be all but useless, if you think the trent is an easy river then you obviously fished the places renowned for barbel, i know i can go and have at least 20 in 1 session, how many of you have fished the trent and had a double.
Iv fished a smaller river and caught loads and loads also caught the same fish 4 times as its a place they hold however we can all look at the smaller rivers and almost guarantee theres barbel under that tree near that snag etc etc, you have to find features on the tidal trent and also have seriously horrible banks to consider.

wake up lads!!!! personally it sounds like most of you would use dinghy to cross the english channel rather than a ferry.

You would'nt catch at least twenty on the ribble. I thought this was a thread asking about rods not who fishes the hardest,biggest, toughest river going

 

[Jim Foxall]

Some very interesting posts with lots of opinions. I have fished the Trent and there is a heck of a tow on it and I feel something like 4oz close in and anything betwee 6-8oz further out. I've also considered break out leads but a bit worried in case they somehow spear a hooked fish. I have found the Trent to be a bit of a souless river but loads of fish in it. I have received help from a couple of the contributors on this thread which helped get me going. I have a couple of the Fox 15' rods 23/4tc and I feel that these struggle to chuck out 6-8 oz leads plus feed. As pointed out they are a poor design, and I feel that the butts were designed for the 12' version. I've extended the butt on my 15' rods by simply sliding a bit of old landing net handle on the bottom part of the butt. In terms of t.c.there is a formula that the carpers use - something like 1/2lb tc per oz. Using this formula, I guess we're into catfish rod territory. I have to say that in my experience a fight of a barbel towing a large amount of lead combined with the effect of the current is not as exciting as the pure fight of a barbel on a smaller river. But that's a personal thing. I'm happy to do both, as needs must. Sorry, Wayne, not much help, but fishing the Trent is pretty much sea-fishing tackle territory and sea fishing rods. One of the earlier posts mentioned a telescopic beachcaster and on occasion, this has worked quite well for me.

 

[Neil Smart]

I'm not saying the Severn is hard but it is nowhere near as easy as the Trent, I remember one day turning up to fish the Trent at three pm and ordering a steak in the Bromley arms at 9pm having caught twenty barbel.....including three doubles.
Another day I fished I had five doubles out of twelve fish and two of them were 11's, my best fish from there was a 12.6 which came on the first cast of the day to nothing more sophisticated than a simple pellet feeder carrying no more than 2oz of lead with double elipse on the hair, the same rig and bait that I had been using on the Seven a couple of days before.......It's hardly rocket science.
Interesting you should bring up "Barbel alley". It's a little known fact that that name was promoted by the BAA in the mid 80's to put more bums on seatboxes when attendance at the big weekly open matches started to drop. Yes there were a few banker swims between Bridgnorth and Stourport which would throw up 100Lb bags of immature Barbel in the 2-4Lb class and for a while you would need 100lb to frame but you have to put that in to context, those matches would attract 80 to 100 of the best river anglers in the country and around half of them who weren't sitting on a barbel swim would blank. Another 30% would catch a few chub and silvers up to around 10lb or so and the other 20% would land a few barbel. The river has matured and moved on since those days, and is now a bit more of a challenge, hence the reason many of the regular swallows (summer visitors) have moved on to the Wye and the Trent.

You live and learn, thank's for that.

 

[Jon Frisby]

Nice to see the levels dropping lads, now we can get on some catch reports.
Good luck Wayne n your quest I can put money on something special coming your way, even if it has 8oz or more hanging from its top lip.

 

[Wayne Glossop]

Some very interesting posts with lots of opinions. I have fished the Trent and there is a heck of a tow on it and I feel something like 4oz close in and anything betwee 6-8oz further out. I've also considered break out leads but a bit worried in case they somehow spear a hooked fish. I have found the Trent to be a bit of a souless river but loads of fish in it. I have received help from a couple of the contributors on this thread which helped get me going. I have a couple of the Fox 15' rods 23/4tc and I feel that these struggle to chuck out 6-8 oz leads plus feed. As pointed out they are a poor design, and I feel that the butts were designed for the 12' version. I've extended the butt on my 15' rods by simply sliding a bit of old landing net handle on the bottom part of the butt. In terms of t.c.there is a formula that the carpers use - something like 1/2lb tc per oz. Using this formula, I guess we're into catfish rod territory. I have to say that in my experience a fight of a barbel towing a large amount of lead combined with the effect of the current is not as exciting as the pure fight of a barbel on a smaller river. But that's a personal thing. I'm happy to do both, as needs must. Sorry, Wayne, not much help, but fishing the Trent is pretty much sea-fishing tackle territory and sea fishing rods. One of the earlier posts mentioned a telescopic beachcaster and on occasion, this has worked quite well for me.

Hi Jim, i think you should really put the 15s to the test i use 6-7oz feeders when far banking
With no problems at all.......please dont be scared of them like i first was lol haha. Even with 8oz and a good sized pva bag its an ease if its equipped with the correct reel.
Regards

 

[Wayne Glossop]

Nice to see the levels dropping lads, now we can get on some catch reports.
Good luck Wayne n your quest I can put money on something special coming your way, even if it has 8oz or more hanging from its top lip.

Cheers Jon, hopefully your right mate , i will certainly put time and effort in to it. I think i have made my mind up on the rods mate

 

[Andy Bridgeman]

Come on then which ones?

 

[Jim Foxall]

Hi Jim, i think you should really put the 15s to the test i use 6-7oz feeders when far banking
With no problems at all.......please dont be scared of them like i first was lol haha. Even with 8oz and a good sized pva bag its an ease if its equipped with the correct reel.
Regards

Thanks, Wayne, I'll be a bit more brutal. I just had the horrible feeling that I was going to hear a crack on launching to the far horizon. At least if it does break then I'll have an even better snag rod than my truncated hexagraph.

 

[David Gauntlett]

Hi Jim, i think you should really put the 15s to the test i use 6-7oz feeders when far banking
With no problems at all.......please dont be scared of them like i first was lol haha. Even with 8oz and a good sized pva bag its an ease if its equipped with the correct reel.
Regards

Which brings me back to my question on my first post on this thread (even though I got the length wrong on that ) Are the 15's no longer doing the job Wayne?

Cheers, Dave.

 

[Clive Shipman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvelPafGgXI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Here you go Wayne.

 

[Wayne Glossop]

Which brings me back to my question on my first post on this thread (even though I got the length wrong on that ) Are the 15's no longer doing the job Wayne?

Cheers, Dave.

Yes they are brilliant mate, just want 2 12footers as i can leave them set up pal for the shorter sessions mate
Cheers Wayne