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Is there an alternative to Paper clips and Enterprise Snag Safe Lead Clips

Jon Frisby

Jon Frisby

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I fish the Trent a lot, and i have snagged myself up on numerous occasions on the nearside rocks. The Enterprise Snag Safe Lead Clips, are ok but not perfect and hard to get around my location. Also i have used paper clips which again are ok again but again not perfect. As with the purpose of the clips its to retrieve your rig and leave your feeder/lead in the snag, so in a roundabout way; Has anyone else come up with an alternative to these? which will carry the weight of a 6-8oz feeder/lead, which is cheap,compact and easy to acquire?

Jon
 
Jon Frisby said:
I fish the Trent a lot, and i have snagged myself up on numerous occasions on the nearside rocks. The Enterprise Snag Safe Lead Clips, are ok but not perfect and hard to get around my location. Also i have used paper clips which again are ok again but again not perfect. As with the purpose of the clips its to retrieve your rig and leave your feeder/lead in the snag, so in a roundabout way; Has anyone else come up with an alternative to these? which will carry the weight of a 6-8oz feeder/lead, which is cheap,compact and easy to acquire?

Jon
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I'm not sure if I understand the question. Do you want to dump the feeder or keep the feeder? If you want to dump it try using a simple swivel on the line and tie the feeder on with a rotten bottom, you could even replace the feeder link with a weak link tied from 6 or 8 lb line.
Another useful tip is to use power gum links, if the feeder gets hung up you can often 'bounce' them free.
The best thing though is not to get hung up in the first place, I find that if you stand and lift the tip sharply as high as you can while winding in as fast as you can at the beginning of the retrieve the feeder will often rise up in the water and avoid the snags.
If you use feeders with a solid tube rather than the mesh ones this also helps in getting them to 'plane' up in the water. I make my own from film canisters if I can get them or inch and a quarter diameter waste pipe from the plumbers merchant, buy the black or the brown. I'm always on the lookout for feeder materials and recently came across the tubes which spare top 3 sets for roach poles come in. They are perfect and cheap.
 
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It might not be what your after but.....
You could try the lead eject rig but it only works on in-line leads.
Carp lads use it when fishing really snaggy swims and it works a treat.
Steve fantuzzi designed it.
 
Paul Bromilow said:
It might not be what your after but.....
You could try the lead eject rig but it only works on in-line leads.
Carp lads use it when fishing really snaggy swims and it works a treat.
Steve fantuzzi designed it.
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Where do you get the idea that Steve Fantuzzi, (whoever he is) invented this rig? I was shown this over 5 years ago by one of the lads fishing Adams Mill and it was in common usage then, They used to put the whole rig into a pole pot and slip it into position. This Fantuzzi bloke might have been the first to publicise it but I doubt he designed it...I'm sure you will correct me if I'm wrong though.
A bit like Matt Hayes inventing the 'time bomb'........An open end feeder filled with pellets and plugged with groundbait which the lads on the Severn had been using since the pellet was first used as a barbel bait.....And they nicked the idea off the match lads fishing the pools.

Anyway, going back to the lead eject rig have you ever tried casting one or even finding a feeder you could use with this rig?
I would also imagine that if you could get over those problems it would get a bit expensive for a day on the Trent when you are dumping three quids worth of lead every cast. I would suggest this idea is a non starter.
 
The inline lead eject rig works and casts ok with leadcore but i cant see it working with a feeder and as you say Ade finding a feeder to suit wouldn't be easy. The rigs been about in carp fishing for quite a few years now and it is a very efficient if expensive way of dumping the lead which was really designed to get rid of the lead in weedy conditions.
Here's a link showing how it's fished for those who dont know how it works.
http://www.advancedcarpfishing.com/Videos/category_3/video_70/

Jez
 
Just to clarify, i want to dump the feeder only as a last resort. Ie when i snag myself, not when a fish takes.

Thanks for all the replies so far.

Jon
 
Adrian...Please educate a beginner in the art of feeder making !! Your "solid, planeing" feeders which you make from solid tube....I assume you drill them or will that destroy the planeing effect ? and do you make your own sinkers or can they be bought as is needed ?
 
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Bill, I'm away for a week now, (flying at 7.30 in the morning), but if you drop me a pm to remind me I will try and put something together when I come home. I need to make a new mould as I gave my last one away and I can photograph it as I do it, I will also go through the different types of feeder and why and where to use them. Unless someone else beats me to it of course.
 
Andrew, I do a bit of shore fishing and can tell you that an 8 lb rotten bottom will take allot more stick than you might think. If you have got a smooth casting style it is easily possible to put 6 oz out to around 80 yards. Not that you could manage that with a barbel rod of course.
If you had a loaded 8oz feeder that would be at least 10oz total which would seriously overload most carp rods let alone a barbel rod, I would suggest the best you could manage would be a gentle 20 or 30 yard lob which is hardly likely to break an 8lb feeder link.
 
American snap swivels,,,Do you choose to doctor them at all to weaken the link when pulling to break off ?
I am using 10 to 15lb mono and have not managed to dump a lead or feeder yet,,,generally lose the lot.Okay maybe line is pulling around a rock or over top of gully but thought it would dump sometimes.
Currently use rotten bottom ,but even that doesnt work on a regular basis for me,often still lose the lot.

Last session gave up after numerous breaks,snaps and lost fish,getting dark so I just put a single swan shot 6" from hook ,15lb yes 15lb mono straight through,oh er!
Using banded pellet had about 15 casts into same swim,,a bite within 2-3 minutes EVERY cast,Caught numerous chub but missed loads.Did not snag up once !!
The rig would have moved through the swim a little therefore I would have expected to snag more often ,,but not at all ?
Any thoughts ??
 
before tugging at the feeder if we can get downstream and pull from there we can sometimes get the feeder free.i have saved a few feeders doing this.albert
 
The old ways are the good ways Albert, a method that works well for me too, most of the time.
The more you tug in one direction, the more chance there is of wedgeing the weight/feeder between two boulders!

The american snap swivels can be left open,so a pull should straighten the clip.
 
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No, if it doesn't come under pressure it stays in place, tried and tested.
Or you can try the already mentioned tried and tested method, get the feeder up off the bottom and away from the rocks as quickly as possible!
 
Chris said

Surely you'd have, at best, only a 50/50 chance of still having a feeder connected after every cast?
And he's not far out commenting on that nonsense. As anyone who has lost a feeder and discovered their link swivel was left open.

Graham
 
OK, so try using the rotten bottom idea, but PVA the feeder swivel to the running swivel on the mainline prior to casting, the PVA string is strong enough to deal with the cast, and you only lose the feader if it gets snagged! It could be that the feeder is just too heavy, try fishing upstream, reduce the weight to just enough, and use rods with some backbone to bring the feeder high in the water on retrie.
peterving
 
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