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High or low tips, and why?

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Adrian, that is brilliant, :D maybe you could advise the DSS, who obviously dont have the talent for knowing what goes on, that you, or should I say your wife does.

Dave
 
John Charlton said:
i fished the ribble about 2 month ago and the even though it was in flood the barbel weren't searching for food(low water temps)
i had to go to them and had to fish 40 yd out and although i was picking weed/grass/leaves up i had 3 barbel while others struggled.
this tactic isn't the most enjoyable but certainly can put fish on the bank:)
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remember the night chas you held the rod vertical the fish would not come over into the steady water .i think the three of us had a mound of leaves and grass in front of us was a good angling that you caught that night
 
Gary Wagstaff said:
remember the night chas you held the rod vertical the fish would not come over into the steady water .i think the three of us had a mound of leaves and grass in front of us was a good angling that you caught that night
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improvisation gaz!

i much prefer fishing with my rod tips under the surface as i do on the teme and dove or whenever possible:)
 
Watching the fat lad trying to dodge the missiles was more fun than the rising that day , plus Trevor had put enough bait in for all 3 of us :D
 
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Stuart Prescott said:
Watching the fat lad trying to dodge the missiles was more fun than the rising that day , plus Trevor had put enough bait in for all 3 of us :D
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i weren't that fat then:eek: but yes trev with 4oz feeder's on a low river putting 10 in before the start my face must of been a picture:D
you 2 rods first one landed in line with me while trevor was10 yd below behind a willow causing the flow to go the other way:eek:
 
John Charlton said:
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i cast upstream put a big bow in it and keep my rod high,the bow allow's you to use less lead and critically balance's the rig. when the fish pick's the bait up it feel's no resistance because of the bow in the line and the bite is the classic drop back(unmissable)

Agree with you there John, but that is not not self hooking is it which Wayne has said it aids, I cant see how it can self hook on a slack line of any degree, you will still need to strike.
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Paul Hamer said:
John Charlton said:
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i cast upstream put a big bow in it and keep my rod high,the bow allow's you to use less lead and critically balance's the rig. when the fish pick's the bait up it feel's no resistance because of the bow in the line and the bite is the classic drop back(unmissable)

Agree with you there John, but that is not not self hooking is it which Wayne has said it aids, I cant see how it can self hook on a slack line of any degree, you will still need to strike.
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your missing the point the fish feel's no resistance because of the slack line so it take's it as freebie(so the fish tell me:D)
the bomb is critically balanced so as the fish takes it dislodges and sends the hook home although i do wind down and hit them for good measure:)
if you were using a tight line you wouldn't get the bite in the 1st place just a judder as the barbel had rejected your bait;)
i've probably still not explained it properly so here we go:
1:if there's a bow in your line the fish feels no resistance!
2:it then pick's your hookbait up with confidence(very important)
3:when the fish pick's the bait up it dislodges the bomb.
4:this then creates a tight line from bomb to hook(that's where your tight line in the self hooking comes in;)
5: i've nearly convinced myself here and although i can't prove it without doubt i know it work's so that's good enough for me:)
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the thing about the upstreaming tactic is , and i agree with paul here , its NOT a slack line rig

think about it , how can it be when the bow is under tension ?

its in the wording that confusion comes

its more balanced i will grant you that , as we all know , doing this you can get away with less lead , but it is NOT a slack line rig , slacker yes as the line isnt tight to the rod tip like normal downstream fishing .thing is , you can get a similar effect on a d/s rod if you let a similar bow out
 
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Stuart Prescott said:
the thing about the upstreaming tactic is , and i agree with paul here , its NOT a slack line rig

think about it , how can it be when the bow is under tension ?

its in the wording that confusion comes

its more balanced i will grant you that , as we all know , doing this you can get away with less lead , but it is NOT a slack line rig , slacker yes as the line isnt tight to the rod tip like normal downstream fishing .thing is , you can get a similar effect on a d/s rod if you let a similar bow out
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Exactly what i was thinkning. As the bow is under tension because of the flow, fishing a slack line in flood is surely pretty much impossible unless fishing right in the margins. I understand the logic behind being able to get away with less weight, but its certainly not slack lining.
 
There will be some tension in this slack line approach , but it wiil be markedly less than if you were using a very heavy lead and a line drawn tight . In my experience it does work well in flood conditions and you usually get a strong indication from the fish . The down side of this and any other bottom fishing method is that if there is a lot of debris coming downstream [ particularly leaves ],they will accumulate on your line and in poor conditions will eventually pull your rig off the bottom and out of position . This said I have found that the upstreaming rigs tend to stay in place longer in these sort of conditions .
 
3ft twitch

in answer to the slack line :
my words have been twisted do you really think i reckon the line is slack:confused:
the line will be slacker than a taut line without the bow as mike as explained:)
paul said that there's no way a fish can hook itself without a tight line not me and i was explaining how the principle work's(although not good enough for you stuart)
i've already been sounded out by the wigan massive about you all trying get involved so unless you've got anything constructive to add take your mullet for a wobble and i'll see you in the morning:p
this tactic isn't something you use stu so you've no experience,you'll learn one day.i'm sure when we've discussed in the passed you couldn't get your mullet round it;)
 
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Mike Hodgkiss said:
There will be some tension in this slack line approach , but it will be markedly less than if you were using a very heavy lead and a line drawn tight . In my experience it does work well in flood conditions and you usually get a strong indication from the fish . The down side of this and any other bottom fishing method is that if there is a lot of debris coming downstream [ particularly leaves ],they will accumulate on your line and in poor conditions will eventually pull your rig off the bottom and out of position . This said I have found that the upstreaming rigs tend to stay in place longer in these sort of conditions .
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what mike says^^^^^^
 
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John Charlton said:
in answer to the slack line :
my words have been twisted do you really think i reckon the line is slack:confused:
the line will be slacker than a taut line without the bow as mike as explained:)
paul said that there's no way a fish can hook itself without a tight line not me and i was explaining how the principle work's(although not good enough for you stuart)
i've already been sounded out by the wigan massive about you all trying get involved so unless you've got anything constructive to add take your mullet for a wobble and i'll see you in the morning:p
this tactic isn't something you use stu so you've no experience,you'll learn one day.i'm sure when we've discussed in the passed you couldn't get your mullet round it;)
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i must be in trouble , only my mum calls me stuart when ive done something :D

think ive touched a nerve here chief , but it wasnt actually aimed at you , more a general remark after various comments

if you re read my post , i did say it would be slacker than the standard down stream rod approach , so i think my understanding of it is just fine john :D ;)
 
It makes me smile when I hear things like "I fish a bow in my line".
When I was learning, didly dit years ago, this was standard practice and no one would fish a tight line downstream to the lead. Back then we only had leads up to about two ounces, anything bigger was classed as sea tackle, if that was not enough to hold bottom you fed a bit more line into the bow until it did.
The same was true when feeder fishing. The trick was to set everything up so the feeder would just hold. This involved a balancing act with a combination of the weight of the feeder, the height of the rod tip and the length of the bow. The idea is that as the feeder empties the difference in the weight was enough to set it in motion bouncing downstream, I always strike as I pick the rod up on the second bounce as sometimes it's a bite, but tbh if it is they are usually hooked by then.
Another advantage of fishing with a bow (as anyone who trundles meat will know) is the bait when it moves is more likely to travel a few yards in a straight line rather than being swept into the nearside bank as is the case when you fish a tight line to the lead, this puts it right in the zone where the feed from the feeder has been ending up.
 
On the Trent this year more than most with the current conditions a good 80% of my fishing this year has been with the "Bow" it took until mid july until I got the standard 3 foot twitch instead of a straight flapping tip you get with the bow. Its not rocket science either lads, especially when you go on about a self hooking rig, but then again if your fishing a hair rig any indication generally means a fish is on...
The bow works, so does the hair rig and straight leading so stop throwing your hand bags in..... Lol

For the record I generally fish my rods at 45 degrees and facing the line entering the water..
 
Not much new, Thames boys fishing the loop many many years ago as standard.

Just to clarify. A good loop of line with the pressure build up on it means, as I have mentioned earlier, along with the line angle through the weight/feeder swivel/link means the hooklink acts in a bolt rig style effect.

Just a minor tip.

When upstreaming in debis filled water, a quick slap/bang on the rod a couple of yards (metres for kiddies) up it will often get rid of much of it allowing the bait to stay in position longer.

Graham
 
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