I can see it ! I've only encountered Crays once whilst fishing on the Thames, well it must have only been one or they would have had my bait off, but when reeling in i could see the grooves it left in my boilie ( which i now boil really hard after encountering them on the Loddon ) I've never had trouble from them before or since, how much longer though ? As far as ...... Faceache goes, I can't understand some peoples issue with it !!!! you can choose the groups you wish to visit or contribute to, you can choose what you wish to put on your own page, or any you visit, if you don't like what you see in a group don't go there simple, you don't have to chat fishing, you can just chat with old mates, family friends etc, etc, i get the feeling some have just gone on it seen something they don't like and have then formed an opinion instead of finding out more, I like it.... but one mans food is another mans poison i guess !