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Common Courtesy and the half way rule

To be honest I would say there is a responsibility on controlling clubs not to place "pegs" opposite one another, if the controlling clubs on both sides agree on where each will place pegs and then leave the rest overgrown and make it a rule that anglers may not create swims or damage bankside vegetation then there is no need to worry about the halfway rule.
 
Paul Cahill said:
I sat with a sinking heart as he got closer and closer and then, you've guessed it, plonked himself directly - I mean totally directly, opposite me. I tried to catch his eye and give a shrug, but this guy just looked at me, ignored me and carried on setting up. I couldn't believe it. .
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It's entirely for this reason that I carry a catapult. Words are cheap across 30foot of water, blitzkrieg em with 20mm Halibuts!
 
personally I don't like to fish near anyone on my own bank if I can help it never mind opposite another angler.

TOTALLY WITH YOU GRAHAM,ILL GET ON THE ARROW IN A FEW WEEKS TIME AND HOPE TO SEE NO ONE BUT DO HOPE TO MAKE SOME REPORTS,FINGERS CROSSED.

TL

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MH
 
Adrian Williams said:
I beg to differ, you were technical stealing his amenity and poaching, the fact you were doing it from a bank where you do have a license to fish is irrelevant.

You can't have it both ways and apply only the laws which don't inconvenience you.

The fact is the other angler was in the right and you were in the wrong.

Good thread.:)
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Haha. Proper pomposity ;-)

I take it you walk all the way back to your car and have a slash on your rear wheel when you need one then?
 
Paul Cahill said:
I'd like to see a single - one - river angler who claims to have never cast over half way in a single-bank-rights situation.

It might be the law but it's not one which is implemented. It's also against the law to have a wee on the tow path or to use swear words when you lose one.

I still stand by my point. Etiquette should have over-ridden "the law". The facts that I was there first and that the whole far bank was empty are the most pertinent part of this situation. And it was me who moved, remember.
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I've said it already, I don't disagree that it's a law that's ignored by all and sundry. I don't disagree that the bloke opposite you was taking the wee wee. However, you still don't have a leg to stand on. Like it or not, your wrong is no less wrong than his. As I said in my first post, six of one and half a dozen of the other. You simply can't have it all ends up.
 
Urinating in the countryside is not necessarily an offense, unless specifically covered by a by-law or you happen to do it while the local primary school are passing by on a nature walk, in which case it becomes very serious.

I have also not said that I am all white, I am as guilty of bending the law as much as anyone else, especially when it comes to the speeding laws. However, on the odd occasion when I have been copped I pay up and move on; not moan and bitch and try and make out the speed camera was in the wrong place.

It would be interesting to see how you would have stood if you had also had a ticket for the other bank? My instinct says you would still be in the wrong as you cant fish two swims at once. Looking forward to someone with more knowledge of fishing law to sort that one out.
 
Chris Jones said:
I've said it already, I don't disagree that it's a law that's ignored by all and sundry. I don't disagree that the bloke opposite you was taking the wee wee. However, you still don't have a leg to stand on. Like it or not, your wrong is no less wrong than his. As I said in my first post, six of one and half a dozen of the other. You simply can't have it all ends up.
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I'm not "having it all ends up". I moved.

Etiquette is a huge part of the culture of many sports and pastimes and in fishing it's arguably more important than most. It isn't against the law to come up on the skyline behind another angler and shout, or to throw bricks in the river, or to cast in their water, but it's poor etiquette, bad manners and selfish.

Casting over halfway on an empty river is none of these things, no matter how pompous you want to be about it.

Still getting no answer on the toilet issue either.:D
 
Adrian Williams said:
Urinating in the countryside is not necessarily an offense, unless specifically covered by a by-law or you happen to do it while the local primary school are passing by on a nature walk, in which case it becomes very serious.

I have also not said that I am all white, I am as guilty of bending the law as much as anyone else, especially when it comes to the speeding laws. However, on the odd occasion when I have been copped I pay up and move on; not moan and bitch and try and make out the speed camera was in the wrong place.

It would be interesting to see how you would have stood if you had also had a ticket for the other bank? My instinct says you would still be in the wrong as you cant fish two swims at once. Looking forward to someone with more knowledge of fishing law to sort that one out.
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Only on a forum could someone make a row over an issue like this.

Those who have manners have manners and consideration have them. Those who don't never will.

And it isn't about "moaning and bitching", it's about having a discussion on a forum.
 
Paul Cahill said:
I'm not "having it all ends up". I moved.
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You are moaning about someone going against unwritten fishing etiquette while conveniently ignoring the fact that you are technically breaking the law.

Paul Cahill said:
Etiquette is a huge part of the culture of many sports and pastimes and in fishing it's arguably more important than most. It isn't against the law to come up on the skyline behind another angler and shout, or to throw bricks in the river, or to cast in their water, but it's poor etiquette, bad manners and selfish.

Casting over halfway on an empty river is none of these things, no matter how pompous you want to be about it.
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Just because you don't like the answers you're getting doesn't make those giving those answers pompous. The sad fact is that the guy on the other side could well be moaning on a forum somewhere about law breakers casting beyond half way on rivers. He'd have just as valid a point as you do. I don't disagree that he's out of order. But when you are too, it's a little difficult to moan about him.

Paul Cahill said:
Still getting no answer on the toilet issue either.:D
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Because it's totally irrelevant to the issue you raised.
 
Paul Cahill said:
So where do you have a slash when you are fishing?
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Not that my personal habits are any of your business at all. Normally in the cuddy of my boat or anywhere I want to as long as I have taken measures not to cause offence. I am Diabetic and there are numerous legal points of law that protect anyone with a medical condition like mine from prosecution.
 
Chris Jones said:
You are moaning about someone going against unwritten fishing etiquette while conveniently ignoring the fact that you are technically breaking the law.



Just because you don't like the answers you're getting doesn't make those giving those answers pompous. The sad fact is that the guy on the other side could well be moaning on a forum somewhere about law breakers casting beyond half way on rivers. He'd have just as valid a point as you do. I don't disagree that he's out of order. But when you are too, it's a little difficult to moan about him.



Because it's totally irrelevant to the issue you raised.
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Well I'm not "technically forgetting I'm breaking the law" am I, because in the very first post I quoted this law. If I wanted to "moan" I could have easily omitted the fact that I wanted to fish over halfway, especially as I never even cast there.

I'm contending that in this situation etiquette should overrule a "law" that every single angler breaks. In fact a law much less enforced or obeyed than the one that you break every time you go fishing.
 
Paul Cahill said:
Only on a forum could someone make a row over an issue like this.

Those who have manners have manners and consideration have them. Those who don't never will.

And it isn't about "moaning and bitching", it's about having a discussion on a forum.
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Who's making a row? You were the one who started throwing around the 'pompous' accusation, despite the fact you starting the thread by harking back to pompous Edwardian values and rules of public conduct.

The fact is you were in the wrong, that was not a problem until, by parking himself opposite you, the other guy challenged you on it.
You then did the gentlemanly thing and moved.
Well done, if you had left it at that all would have been well but as soon as you started moaning, and you were moaning, you showed yourself up, to continue the Edwardian etiquette theme, as a bit of a cad.
 
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During the close season I got sick and tired of these sort of threads but thought they would go away once we were all back out fishing, naive or what!:(

Guess we'll just have to blame it on the weather now, we're not used to seeing that big yellow thing for so long.;)
 
When choosing a swim,i allways opt for one,opposite bushes/trees ect
and failing that ill never fish any swim that can be fished directly opposite.
Thinking anglers store info like this in the old grey cell banks,along with depth
changes,reed runs,river narrows,and canoe slaloms:D:mad: to name just a few.

Good lesson learned,for your next trip:D:D
 
Buy a black widow catapult and some 15mm steel ball bearings. If an angler has the audacity to set up opposite you again then shoot him right between the eyes or the temple (depending on how good a shot you are I suppose). Hopefully you'll kill him and then you can carry on fishing as you was (unless your conscious gets the better of you and you have to go over and collect your ball bearings so as not be be a litterer).

Hope that helps.
 
Can I just ask please, what would the posters who have said both were at fault have done if faced with the same situation as the OP?
 
Paul, sadly, the people 'who think of others' are an ever-diminishing species. Had it been your identical twin on the far bank, I dare say he would have fished elsewhere, even if he'd been looking forward to fishing that particular peg. Indeed, if he'd been pre-baiting it, he wouldn't have wanted to draw attention to it in the first place. I suspect the chap concerned is the type that stops on the zig-zags outside his children's primary school and parks in the disabled bays at his local supermarket because 'they're handy'.
 
Steve Roffey said:
During the close season I got sick and tired of these sort of threads but thought they would go away once we were all back out fishing, naive or what!:(

Guess we'll just have to blame it on the weather now, we're not used to seeing that big yellow thing for so long.;)
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Getting bland, boring and full of moaney old tosspots lately
 
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