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Be Careful Out There!

As I said earlier here, Hugh, when idiots and axe-grinders try to mix it with me, they get a response.
 
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I am a fairly affable laid back sort of chap, I do not look for trouble (except when I publish pictures of fish but hey-ho) and I will walk away if I can, earlier this year I was involved in an "incident"!!

I put this up on our WBC site so I hope they wont mind if I repeat it here.

In Feb I was walking around the lakes with Chippy (my Spaniel) when I came across 3 “lads” drinking White lightening and smoking something that was not ordinary puff, they were hanging around part of the lake where you have a path with lake on one side and river on the other.
As I walked up, one of them stepped in front of me, I side-stepped and he followed.
As I asked him to stand aside, one of the others motioned to a point behind me and I realised they had “clocked” the dog so I knew something was going to happen!
Again I asked this bloke to get out of my way, this time he said “When I fuc……….” And he poked me in the chest.
As his finger landed my fist hit him square on the sweet spot (nose and top lip) my aim point was a foot behind his head, as he went down I stamped on his arm and went fast for the other two, one of them fell over in his rush to get away from me (angry, raging and after blood and my dog who became a snarling monster) the other did the offski, I turned back to the bloke that had fallen grabbed him by the throat and we discussed his options, he decided that he would go away and he would take “the dead c… (can’t use the word here)” with him!
I made him drag the first bloke away (he was making slobbering noises and bleeding quite a lot).
Turned out they were looking for some silly old fool to mugg up and chose poorly, the bloke I hit had to have his nose re-constructed and the others (who recently moved in to the local housing estate because they were re-habilitating drug users) have been told that they got away lightly and they were lucky I was in such a good mood that morning.
Not one of them will look me in the eye when I see them around and they have been spoken to by the local “faces” (several of which happen to be Carpers on my local lake).
I mention this just because, as it happens the scum do not always win!!

I also got in first with the report to the Police, who seemed quite happy with the result!!

I got a fearful “telling off” from my wife who thinks that at 57 I am too old for a bit of sport.

I do have some advice:-

Don’t act like a victim because the next step is to become a victim.
Decide early on who is the “King Rat” and be sure to take him out first and have your second target selected, you will not get such good first strike on the second target but you WILL put your assailants on the back foot.
When you act use “Ultra Violence”, do NOT hold back.
Make them react to your actions not the other way around.
Select a target point and go for it with as much force as you can muster, target points are:- Eyes-with an open hand, one finger always goes in, Nose - with fist or heel of hand, Base of the throat - with flat hand pointed fingers, Sternum - fist, Genitals - grab and twist, grab and yank, Any joint - force it the wrong way, Knee cap - kick or strike so that it pops out or over.
There are other strike points and other things you can do, if you want to be pre-paired, Google Jap slapping or something similar!

And if you are going to use a fist have a lighter or battery in your pocket to hold as you make a fist, this will help stop your Knuckles collapsing (that does hurt).

Best advice of all:-
Only fight battles that you know you will win!


Tight lines chaps!
 
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Keith Speer said:
I do have some advice:-

Don’t act like a victim because the next step is to become a victim.
Decide early on who is the “King Rat†and be sure to take him out first and have your second target selected, you will not get such good first strike on the second target but you WILL put your assailants on the back foot.
When you act use “Ultra Violenceâ€, do NOT hold back.
Make them react to your actions not the other way around.
Select a target point and go for it with as much force as you can muster, target points are:- Eyes-with an open hand, one finger always goes in, Nose - with fist or heel of hand, Base of the throat - with flat hand pointed fingers, Sternum - fist, Genitals - grab and twist, grab and yank, Any joint - force it the wrong way, Knee cap - kick or strike so that it pops out or over.
There are other strike points and other things you can do, if you want to be pre-paired, Google Jap slapping or something similar!

And if you are going to use a fist have a lighter or battery in your pocket to hold as you make a fist, this will help stop your Knuckles collapsing (that does hurt).
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Blimey Keith, were you in the forces or something? Certainly sounds like you know how to handle yourself. Fair play.
 
I find that when fishing those brolley pegs aint 'alf hard to bang in. Best to take a hammer, just in case....
 
Keith Speer said:
I am a fairly affable laid back sort of chap, I do not look for trouble (except when I publish pictures of fish but hey-ho) and I will walk away if I can, earlier this year I was involved in an "incident"!!

I put this up on our WBC site so I hope they wont mind if I repeat it here.

In Feb I was walking around the lakes with Chippy (my Spaniel) when I came across 3 “lads†drinking White lightening and smoking something that was not ordinary puff, they were hanging around part of the lake where you have a path with lake on one side and river on the other.
As I walked up, one of them stepped in front of me, I side-stepped and he followed.
As I asked him to stand aside, one of the others motioned to a point behind me and I realised they had “clocked†the dog so I knew something was going to happen!
Again I asked this bloke to get out of my way, this time he said “When I fuc……….†And he poked me in the chest.
As his finger landed my fist hit him square on the sweet spot (nose and top lip) my aim point was a foot behind his head, as he went down I stamped on his arm and went fast for the other two, one of them fell over in his rush to get away from me (angry, raging and after blood and my dog who became a snarling monster) the other did the offski, I turned back to the bloke that had fallen grabbed him by the throat and we discussed his options, he decided that he would go away and he would take “the dead c… (can’t use the word here)†with him!
I made him drag the first bloke away (he was making slobbering noises and bleeding quite a lot).
Turned out they were looking for some silly old fool to mugg up and chose poorly, the bloke I hit had to have his nose re-constructed and the others (who recently moved in to the local housing estate because they were re-habilitating drug users) have been told that they got away lightly and they were lucky I was in such a good mood that morning.
Not one of them will look me in the eye when I see them around and they have been spoken to by the local “faces†(several of which happen to be Carpers on my local lake).
I mention this just because, as it happens the scum do not always win!!

I also got in first with the report to the Police, who seemed quite happy with the result!!

I got a fearful “telling off†from my wife who thinks that at 57 I am too old for a bit of sport.

I do have some advice:-

Don’t act like a victim because the next step is to become a victim.
Decide early on who is the “King Rat†and be sure to take him out first and have your second target selected, you will not get such good first strike on the second target but you WILL put your assailants on the back foot.
When you act use “Ultra Violenceâ€, do NOT hold back.
Make them react to your actions not the other way around.
Select a target point and go for it with as much force as you can muster, target points are:- Eyes-with an open hand, one finger always goes in, Nose - with fist or heel of hand, Base of the throat - with flat hand pointed fingers, Sternum - fist, Genitals - grab and twist, grab and yank, Any joint - force it the wrong way, Knee cap - kick or strike so that it pops out or over.
There are other strike points and other things you can do, if you want to be pre-paired, Google Jap slapping or something similar!

And if you are going to use a fist have a lighter or battery in your pocket to hold as you make a fist, this will help stop your Knuckles collapsing (that does hurt).

Best advice of all:-
Only fight battles that you know you will win!


Tight lines chaps!
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"We have nothing to fear but fear itself"
 
only one thing you forgot keith... putting your attacker to sleep.
all of what you mentioned are ok, but you dont know who the person attacking you is, so you must always treat assailant as seasoned fighter.
ony one thing i would recommend to an untrained fighter, most people who do not know what do do in these situations and its simple. run...
if you cannot, strike as hard as you physically can to the jaw line, it doesnt take much for a knockout.
the last thing you wanna be doing is brawling with an unknown on a river bank!!!
so remember, if possible always run.
the best self defence is knowing how to avoid violence.
Steve
 
Steven Ballard said:
the best self defence is knowing how to avoid violence.
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Very much so, Steve. On at least a couple of occasions in recent years I have kept the nasty (three mid-late teens demanding fags on one very tricky occasion) talking, defusing the bomb about to go off and and even sharing a laugh.
 
Keith Speer said:
I am a fairly affable laid back sort of chap, I do not look for trouble (except when I publish pictures of fish but hey-ho) and I will walk away if I can, earlier this year I was involved in an "incident"!!

I put this up on our WBC site so I hope they wont mind if I repeat it here.

In Feb I was walking around the lakes with Chippy (my Spaniel) when I came across 3 “lads†drinking White lightening and smoking something that was not ordinary puff, they were hanging around part of the lake where you have a path with lake on one side and river on the other.
As I walked up, one of them stepped in front of me, I side-stepped and he followed.
As I asked him to stand aside, one of the others motioned to a point behind me and I realised they had “clocked†the dog so I knew something was going to happen!
Again I asked this bloke to get out of my way, this time he said “When I fuc……….†And he poked me in the chest.
As his finger landed my fist hit him square on the sweet spot (nose and top lip) my aim point was a foot behind his head, as he went down I stamped on his arm and went fast for the other two, one of them fell over in his rush to get away from me (angry, raging and after blood and my dog who became a snarling monster) the other did the offski, I turned back to the bloke that had fallen grabbed him by the throat and we discussed his options, he decided that he would go away and he would take “the dead c… (can’t use the word here)†with him!
I made him drag the first bloke away (he was making slobbering noises and bleeding quite a lot).
Turned out they were looking for some silly old fool to mugg up and chose poorly, the bloke I hit had to have his nose re-constructed and the others (who recently moved in to the local housing estate because they were re-habilitating drug users) have been told that they got away lightly and they were lucky I was in such a good mood that morning.
Not one of them will look me in the eye when I see them around and they have been spoken to by the local “faces†(several of which happen to be Carpers on my local lake).
I mention this just because, as it happens the scum do not always win!!

I also got in first with the report to the Police, who seemed quite happy with the result!!

I got a fearful “telling off†from my wife who thinks that at 57 I am too old for a bit of sport.

I do have some advice:-

Don’t act like a victim because the next step is to become a victim.
Decide early on who is the “King Rat†and be sure to take him out first and have your second target selected, you will not get such good first strike on the second target but you WILL put your assailants on the back foot.
When you act use “Ultra Violenceâ€, do NOT hold back.
Make them react to your actions not the other way around.
Select a target point and go for it with as much force as you can muster, target points are:- Eyes-with an open hand, one finger always goes in, Nose - with fist or heel of hand, Base of the throat - with flat hand pointed fingers, Sternum - fist, Genitals - grab and twist, grab and yank, Any joint - force it the wrong way, Knee cap - kick or strike so that it pops out or over.
There are other strike points and other things you can do, if you want to be pre-paired, Google Jap slapping or something similar!

And if you are going to use a fist have a lighter or battery in your pocket to hold as you make a fist, this will help stop your Knuckles collapsing (that does hurt).

Best advice of all:-
Only fight battles that you know you will win!


Tight lines chaps!
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Post of the year!
 
Punch of the year too.

I like the technical aspect to the post:

" Select a target point and go for it with as much force as you can muster, target points are:- Eyes-with an open hand, one finger always goes in, Nose - with fist or heel of hand, Base of the throat - with flat hand pointed fingers, Sternum - fist, Genitals - grab and twist, grab and yank, Any joint - force it the wrong way, Knee cap - kick or strike so that it pops out or over"

Some very good pointers there, Keith. Like it.
 
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Steve is right always, always, ALWAYS walk away if you can, this should be the no 1 option and default position every time.

There is ALWAYS someone bigger tougher and quicker than you, some people ARE "seasoned fighters" and are used to fighting dirty, simply because they enjoy it, look at the violence that used to go on in football stadiums, many of those guys were not your Chav muggers but in all other respects responsible citizens.

My comments were for the situation when you cannot get out of the way and cannot talk your way out; my particular situation came about because I was not paying attention in a place that I considered "safe".

I missed the first warning signs and I was in trouble before I knew it, please don’t think I was looking for trouble, I was lost in a world of nature and fish spotting and sort of took my eye off the ball.
And that is probably the problem most of us would have, we all think so much about our silly hobby (or way of life) that we can easily switch off to that which is going on around us.
My comments were for those rare situations when things get out of hand, I suppose what I am really saying is be prepared and know your options and if you do have to use force , use it wisely but go in at 100%, holding back works against you, pity and regret are luxuries you can dwell on after the event.

But if you can walk away do so, remember you can’t catch much from a hospital bed.

Tight Lines.
 
David

Not sure I could or would put up with all that the skinhead did to the chap in black.

The assailant was standing there with his legs apart while wearing loose tracky bottoms, what I would class as a target of opportunity.:eek:

And Haydn, I am not like that at all, my hair is far shorter!:):)
 
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