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bags or mesh on severn

Neil Partridge

Neil Partridge

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ive just been given 200 new pva bags,...100 x 70 & some 130 x 100,.... i have got some mesh bags but i wondered what would you think for the middle severn..........bags or mesh

not long now wwhhoohooo!!!!!!!!!:D
 
i've used bags in the streamer weed to stop hooking up on the drop. other than that can't think of when i've used bags or mesh on the severn.
 
Joe - everyone uses that clip when advising not to use pva (which is I assume what you're doing?). As they say at the end; either put the weight in the mesh/bag, or attach to the weight.
 
I use mesh bags sometimes on the middle but only small mesh bags tied around the lead,but 99% of the time I don't put any loose feed in on the middle, only attracts the small ones
 
Neil trouble with the bags is your free offerings could end up any where .That's why I think a feeder is best. Gave all my pva bags to Jez
 
Richard Parsons said:
Joe - everyone uses that clip when advising not to use pva (which is I assume what you're doing?). As they say at the end; either put the weight in the mesh/bag, or attach to the weight.
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Richard i am not suggesting not to use pva :( . As the clip clearly shows if not attached in the correct way ( put the weight in the mesh/bag) your bag / mesh and loose feed can go drifting of down stream :(
 
Neil Partridge said:
ive just been given 200 new pva bags,...100 x 70 & some 130 x 100,.... i have got some mesh bags but i wondered what would you think for the middle severn..........bags or mesh

not long now wwhhoohooo!!!!!!!!!:D
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Firstly, unless you're attempting to mask the hook (like suggested by Sam), why bother with pva at all?

Secondly, if attaching pva to the lead, why not just use a feeder, less hassle and surely cheaper?

Thirdly, the way shown in the youtube clip was IMO always deemed to fail, anyone with half a thought of what they doing can see that, pull the hook length through the pva, nice pic of what I mean (save on confusion) here, plus good ol' Danny might have a few more ideas for you, so long as it involves buying a product starting with a K: http://www.korda.co.uk/products/?id=4

Neil, not applicable to you but if using solid bags to carry liquid attractants, just put gravel in the bags to offset the comparitive weight loss and any trapped air.... easy....



Now here is a novel idea (excuse my tone) but why not just experiment for yourself? Just find similar paced flow to that where you are thinking of fishing with pva, about a foot deep on a bright sunny day, drop your rig right under your nose and watch, simples.:)
 
Personally I find feeders look a bit crude, so I tend to use leads that you can mould method mix around, or small PVA bags as Richard says. Also you cant really use large, dry pellets or boilies in a feeder. Plus feeders tend to get snagged up easier, so you end up spending a fortune on them anyway, kind of offsets the cost of PVA, unless you make your own feeders of course.

And can people please stop writing 'simples', its really quite annoying!:)
 
Rhys Perry said:
Personally I find feeders look a bit crude, so I tend to use leads that you can mould method mix around, or small PVA bags as Richard says. Also you cant really use large, dry pellets or boilies in a feeder. Plus feeders tend to get snagged up easier, so you end up spending a fortune on them anyway, kind of offsets the cost of PVA, unless you make your own feeders of course.

And can people please stop writing 'simples', its really quite annoying!:)
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I wonder if Mr & Mrs Barbus think feeders look crude?

A 2oz lead costs about a pound, a 2.5oz feeder costs about £1.50, so unless you lose numerous feeders per session I'd say feeders are the cheaper option, simples innit.:D

I can see your point regards bigger baits but IMO the Middle Severn is a match fishery (fish being small and numerous), best fished with a match styled approach, again, simples innit.....:D:D
That said, moulding paste around your lead is really another take on a method feeder, kinda reiterates my point on match tactics.;)


Don't get me wrong there are many situations where I would see pva as an advantageous way of baiting, just not on the Middle Severn, sim....:cool:
 
Colin - IMO pva mesh makes less of a splash, if one can bear the cost (I think it's worth it). Also, feeders tend not to last long, smashing against gravel, rocks, etc....

Joe - apologies if I misunderstood. I just get irritated when DVDs are quoted in order to prove a point. :)
 
Colin Gordon said:
I wonder if Mr & Mrs Barbus think feeders look crude?

A 2oz lead costs about a pound, a 2.5oz feeder costs about £1.50, so unless you lose numerous feeders per session I'd say feeders are the cheaper option, simples innit.:D

I can see your point regards bigger baits but IMO the Middle Severn is a match fishery (fish being small and numerous), best fished with a match styled approach, again, simples innit.....:D:D
That said, moulding paste around your lead is really another take on a method feeder, kinda reiterates my point on match tactics.;)


Don't get me wrong there are many situations where I would see pva as an advantageous way of baiting, just not on the Middle Severn, sim....:cool:
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Thing is Colin I never seem to loose as many leads as I do feeders, seems they don't find snags so easily.
The match approach may well work in terms of fish on the bank, but as I'm sure many a specimen middle Severn barbel hunter will tell you, it doesn't sort out the bigger girls quite so readily. I guess its all down to what you want to catch, size or numbers.
 
Richard Parsons said:
Colin - IMO pva mesh makes less of a splash, if one can bear the cost (I think it's worth it). Also, feeders tend not to last long, smashing against gravel, rocks, etc....

Joe - apologies if I misunderstood. I just get irritated when DVDs are quoted in order to prove a point. :)
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Do you think less of a splash is really an advantage ? I mean bait droppers have been used for years with success and they make much more disturbance than a couple ounce feeder. And not wishing to irritate you by using a DVD "in order to prove a point" but there's a bit of footage on I think it was barbel days and ways showing Chub and Barbel coming onto the feed very quickly with the bait dropper still being cast in.

PVA = waste of time and money on middle Severn.
 
Hi men,

We have a mesh bag on every time we cast out . One end dipped into barbel pro to increase the melt time , adding liquid attraction , and aids the mesh to empty in two stages so not rolling away . Also it helps with making the rig less tangly , straitening the hooklength out , especially when feeling the lead down. With one of those solar pva clips on the lead it cussions the splash going in .

Horses got courses , and what makes it angling , not catching .


Hatter
 
Richard Parsons said:
Colin - IMO pva mesh makes less of a splash, if one can bear the cost (I think it's worth it). Also, feeders tend not to last long, smashing against gravel, rocks, etc....
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To reduce the splash try feathering your line, or clip your line off and then you can literally lay your rig onto the water, no splash and inch perfect everytime.;)


Rhys Perry said:
Thing is Colin I never seem to loose as many leads as I do feeders, seems they don't find snags so easily.
The match approach may well work in terms of fish on the bank, but as I'm sure many a specimen middle Severn barbel hunter will tell you, it doesn't sort out the bigger girls quite so readily. I guess its all down to what you want to catch, size or numbers.
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I want both and from my limited experience on the river (though modestly successful, if I do say so myself), better stamp of fish come about more from swim selection than anything else, simples.:D

As for losing feeders, I'm to tight for that!:)
 
I'm with Rhys on this one,the match approach on the middle won't sort the big girls out, there are Many situations and swims on the middle that using a mesh bag is a good idea, some I wonldnt dream of using them.It's a good weapon in my armoury and has caught me some good fish.it's all about picking the right time and place to use them.
 
Ben Cook said:
I'm with Rhys on this one,the match approach on the middle won't sort the big girls out, there are Many situations and swims on the middle that using a mesh bag is a good idea, some I wonldnt dream of using them.It's a good weapon in my armoury and has caught me some good fish.it's all about picking the right time and place to use them.
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To make statements like that, first "the match approach" needs defining as to what it actually entails.

Then what size constitutes the title "big girl"?
 
Colin i wouldnt say middle severn is a match venue. The barbel are getting bigger and there are loads over 9 lb more then ever. I would say it taking over from the lower as a big fish venue
 
Richard Parsons said:
Colin - IMO pva mesh makes less of a splash, if one can bear the cost (I think it's worth it). Also, feeders tend not to last long, smashing against gravel, rocks, etc....

Joe - apologies if I misunderstood. I just get irritated when DVDs are quoted in order to prove a point. :)
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Richard apology accepted :)
 
If you have the bags already use them
- just pierce everywhere (especially hook end) to ensure fast air release
- they do improve anti-tangle
Think about the contents with no loose feed and you may find a way into the bigger specimens - if that is what you are after.
 
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