Chris Thomson
Senior Member
Anyone had any experience of the 12lb bs good or bad?
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Peter Littleworth
Senior Member
Used it for years, I like it, need to tie the right knots though, a double davy knot is the best by a mile, avoid grinners, a fig8 loop is good too.
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Darren Hawen
Senior Member & Supporter
10/12lb excellent for both mainline and hook links.
Andy Bebbington
Senior Member
bass pro excel in 10lbor 12lb excellent.
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Chris Thomson
Senior Member
Just curious on its abrasion qualities ie around streamer weed etc
Graham Hunt
Senior Member
I've used X-Line for years. I use 17lb on my carp reels and 15lb on my small river barbel reels. I think its is excellent line but you need to work within its limitations.
It doesn't have great knot strength although its abrasion resistance is ok. But it is very heavy and low in diameter. Hence the reason I use 15lb line - it means I have never had any problems dealing with barbel in snaggy swims and I think the extra weight improves my presentation (with a nice bow in the line incorporated of course).
I use a grinner knot all the time with no problems.
It doesn't have great knot strength although its abrasion resistance is ok. But it is very heavy and low in diameter. Hence the reason I use 15lb line - it means I have never had any problems dealing with barbel in snaggy swims and I think the extra weight improves my presentation (with a nice bow in the line incorporated of course).
I use a grinner knot all the time with no problems.
Chris Thomson
Senior Member
Thanks for that Graham
David Gauntlett
Senior Member
As Graham so rightly says, X line is useful because it sinks very well, but you need to work within it's limitations, ie, you need to go heavier than the claimed B/S, because the claims are totally misleading.
Here is an extract from the 'Tackle Box' line test charts, showing ACTUAL B/S, as opposed to those claimed, for ACTUAL line diameters, as opposed to those claimed, showing the comparison between X line and a decent nylon mono, in this case Shimano Catana. The forum space saving system mucks the below up a bit, 'cos it scrunches it up unequally...but it's not too hard to work out what goes where
L. Dia. .28mm.. .30mm.. .33mm.. .35mm
'X' line 9.38lbs 10.25lbs 11.13lbs 12.63lbs (actual B/S)
Cata. 14.13lbs 16.00lbs 18.86lbs 20.50lbs (actual B/S)
The claimed B/S for the 'X' line in the above diameters is 12lb, 15lb, 17lb and 20lb respectively....which is so far from the truth it's a joke. So, utterly ignore the claimed B/S for 'X' line, or you will come unstuck! (literally)
Cheers, Dave.
Here is an extract from the 'Tackle Box' line test charts, showing ACTUAL B/S, as opposed to those claimed, for ACTUAL line diameters, as opposed to those claimed, showing the comparison between X line and a decent nylon mono, in this case Shimano Catana. The forum space saving system mucks the below up a bit, 'cos it scrunches it up unequally...but it's not too hard to work out what goes where
L. Dia. .28mm.. .30mm.. .33mm.. .35mm
'X' line 9.38lbs 10.25lbs 11.13lbs 12.63lbs (actual B/S)
Cata. 14.13lbs 16.00lbs 18.86lbs 20.50lbs (actual B/S)
The claimed B/S for the 'X' line in the above diameters is 12lb, 15lb, 17lb and 20lb respectively....which is so far from the truth it's a joke. So, utterly ignore the claimed B/S for 'X' line, or you will come unstuck! (literally
)Cheers, Dave.
Chris Thomson
Senior Member
So to get get somewhere near the 12lb bs i need i'd have to get 20lb bs? Mmm
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Another one for bass pro excel great line
Graham Young
Senior Member
Where a line varies so much from the stated breaking strain to actual breaking strain is it worth taking a chance with it? hooks and line, are the most important pieces of tackle IMO.
12lb at 0.28mm that's more like the diameter of 8lb mono.
I notice that Shimano have started going 'Euro' with their breaking strains.......
Always safer to go by diameter for monos.
Now just tested Shimano Technium Invisitec - looks good the 10lb at 0.30mm snapping at 14lb.
I notice that Shimano have started going 'Euro' with their breaking strains.......
Always safer to go by diameter for monos.
Now just tested Shimano Technium Invisitec - looks good the 10lb at 0.30mm snapping at 14lb.
Nathan Parker
Member
As Graham so rightly says, X line is useful because it sinks very well, but you need to work within it's limitations, ie, you need to go heavier than the claimed B/S, because the claims are totally misleading.
Here is an extract from the 'Tackle Box' line test charts, showing ACTUAL B/S, as opposed to those claimed, for ACTUAL line diameters, as opposed to those claimed, showing the comparison between X line and a decent nylon mono, in this case Shimano Catana. The forum space saving system mucks the below up a bit, 'cos it scrunches it up unequally...but it's not too hard to work out what goes where
L. Dia. .28mm.. .30mm.. .33mm.. .35mm
'X' line 9.38lbs 10.25lbs 11.13lbs 12.63lbs (actual B/S)
Cata. 14.13lbs 16.00lbs 18.86lbs 20.50lbs (actual B/S)
The claimed B/S for the 'X' line in the above diameters is 12lb, 15lb, 17lb and 20lb respectively....which is so far from the truth it's a joke. So, utterly ignore the claimed B/S for 'X' line, or you will come unstuck! (literally
Cheers, Dave.
Interesting that's good to know, I've used X-line in 10lb for the past 5 years and it's never failed. I only ever use a palomar knot with it though due to it's knot strength. I think it's great stuff.
Peter Littleworth
Senior Member
The test results are interesting, would be interested to know just how they tested it, my findings ,and those of a couple of very capable & successful anglers, certainly with the 15 & 20lb would somewhat contradict those results?
I use the 20lb for hooklinks for salmon, tied with a double davy knot, and a figure8 loop knot on the flyrod, pulling for a break when snagged is a tad alarming, it takes a lot of force, far more than the test result+ it never breaks at the knot. Get the knots right and you will get very close to the stated BS, a grinner doesn,t get anything like the pull strength of the double davy +it always breaks at the knot!!!!!!
peter
I use the 20lb for hooklinks for salmon, tied with a double davy knot, and a figure8 loop knot on the flyrod, pulling for a break when snagged is a tad alarming, it takes a lot of force, far more than the test result+ it never breaks at the knot. Get the knots right and you will get very close to the stated BS, a grinner doesn,t get anything like the pull strength of the double davy +it always breaks at the knot!!!!!!
peter