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Why bother joining clubs or sydicates

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Tony Scott

Senior Member
I recently joined a local club that would ( for a price)allow me access to fish a local stretch of river......the rules have both on and off times....
But it appears that certain individuals continue in the same swims night after night after night & day.....so no chance of getting these areas as they never get vacated.
Needless to say I will not be joining next year...I will simply poach the place as the baliffs obviously dont give a stuff,therefore I will not pays my money and will possibly not get to fish....only difference is I will be quids in...and they quids out.
Right off to a puddle now..
Another reason syndicates usually fold fairly rapidly.
 
Put a sign on the gate saying closed for a match that might work lol
 
Tony Scott said:
I recently joined a local club that would ( for a price)allow me access to fish a local stretch of river......the rules have both on and off times....
But it appears that certain individuals continue in the same swims night after night after night & day.....so no chance of getting these areas as they never get vacated.
Needless to say I will not be joining next year...I will simply poach the place as the baliffs obviously dont give a stuff,therefore I will not pays my money and will possibly not get to fish....only difference is I will be quids in...and they quids out.
Right off to a puddle now..
Another reason syndicates usually fold fairly rapidly.
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Or if it worries you that much, you could offer your services by becoming a bailiff.
 
Tony Scott said:
I recently joined a local club that would ( for a price)allow me access to fish a local stretch of river......the rules have both on and off times....
But it appears that certain individuals continue in the same swims night after night after night & day.....so no chance of getting these areas as they never get vacated.
Needless to say I will not be joining next year...I will simply poach the place as the baliffs obviously dont give a stuff,therefore I will not pays my money and will possibly not get to fish....only difference is I will be quids in...and they quids out.
Right off to a puddle now..
Another reason syndicates usually fold fairly rapidly.
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There could be a couple of reasons for this. One is that some anglers live locally (more locally than you perhaps?) and are able to get to the water more often and at the "right" time. They will also know more or less where the fish are holding and will continue pounding those swims. Especially if the venue has a low stock-density of fish which, outside flood, will group up tight in a small handful of swims.

There is the possibility that anglers are doing a bit of "guesting" to keep their swims, but this is less likely on rivers with times. Depends on which stretch it is and who the controlling elements are.

P.M. for you Tony.
 
I do occasionally fish goer pegs but more often than not I prefer to wander off. Fishing inbetween pegs quiet sections and often the angling is just as good. Then during the winter I may fish the busier pegs when no other normal sane person wants to be out.
 
Simon King said:
There could be a couple of reasons for this. One is that some anglers live locally (more locally than you perhaps?) and are able to get to the water more often and at the "right" time. They will also know more or less where the fish are holding and will continue pounding those swims. Especially if the venue has a low stock-density of fish which, outside flood, will group up tight in a small handful of swims.

There is the possibility that anglers are doing a bit of "guesting" to keep their swims, but this is less likely on rivers with times. Depends on which stretch it is and who the controlling elements are.

P.M. for you Tony.
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Si
Reply sent....
The venue is going to end up just like the North Met....same old faces hogging the hotspots day and night through the mild weather then disappearing for the remaining 6 months...Those same ***** that put others off going
You are spot on with the grouping being the reason for their stay overs.....we all know the fish hold up in certain areas ,I dont mind a wander but I aint gonna keep getting up at 4am when a couple of ***** have already taken the areas..day after day after day...its hard to encourage the youth to take up fishing if theres nowt to be caught...I can only keep his interest in Crays for so long

Cheers

Tony
 
Steve[/QUOTE]
As advised by several forum members I have tonight contacted the secretary that oversees the venue.
Im given to understand that baliffs may well be in cahoots with those that flout the rules,and that it has been going on a fair while.
I am awaiting his reply...as things stand I will be seeking my fishing elsewhere from next season unless this is stopped.
Im given to understand that the persons that condone this are somewhat aggressive and may well continue to go about their business unchallenged.
I will be now taking number plates and reporting the offenders
 
Definitely take it up with the club secretary and committee.Sounds like the rules are being broken regularly and a shake up is needed.

If,as someone has intimated the club officials are turning a blind eye and are complicit in this then take the story to the angling press,I think the resulting publicity would force them to act to stamp out this practice.

edit;-didn't see Alex's reply,but wot he said :)
 
i find the best solution is to set up upstream of the so called anglers and spend an hour baitdropping gravel all over the river with the largest seymo baitdropper, move to the peg downstream of them and repeat. then leave and go and fish a quieter peg up or downstream! After a couple of times doing this even the thickest of anglers tend to get the message!
 
Julian
I do not feel intimidated in the slightest I deal with thugs on a daily basis, however I felt that the nature of these persons gives little opportunity or respect to those they are supposedly sharing the venue with....
Had I prior knowledge that the place was bad I would not have sought to join any club that was on there as part of the consortium.
I am happy with the club I have affiliated myself to,and very happy with their assistance in taking up this matter.
To me the persons I met were pretty much the couldn't give a stuff type and out of the pack would be far less comfortable.
Others I have met at the venue in fact almost all have been perfect gents and have sought to discuss the fishing not their bravado and dimissive attitude of anything or anyone who was not in the know or their circle.
I have been part of syndicates in the past that failed because of this type of mentality and the friction it caused.I chose to fish this venue primarily because of past memories and its very close proximity,I can fish other venues but why should the few be able to ruin it for the many.
I have since been contacted by other persons that fish the venue and I have been informed that this is the norm and that certain baliffs favour certain members and turn a blind eye to the practices.I dont know that this is fact .I only know what I have seen with my eyes and heard with my ears.
If others like me feel the venue is being abused by a few then they should get off the fence and make their veiws known also.
If however you know this is going on PLEASE tell the relevant people...if they DO NOT KNOW......THEY CANNOT STOP IT
After all if the owners become aware it could jeapordise the future of the fishery for everyone.
 
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Tony,

Your comments amaze me , I have been fishing at Fishers Green for nearly 3 seasons , partly cemex and now the F/G consortium , in that time I have made many friends of the regular anglers and enjoy the venue immensely.
I think I know all the baliffs on the fishery and I have found them to be a
friendly and helpful bunch , I certainly would not describe them as aggressive.

There are only a few well known swims and these get fished every day of the season and i agree with you that it is frustrating that it is not easy to secure one , last winter one guy fished the same 'hot swim' every day for
a couple of weeks , he caught some great fish too , he also had a very long drive every day to get there so although that sort of thing is not for me , he was putting the effort in and got the results .

My advice would be to put some time in on the less fished areas and you will get some results , the stretch has changed and takes a bit of learning.

You seem to refer to anglers fishing 'after time' , this is some thing that I do not see . There are only 2 anglers that I have seen fish past time on a regular basis , i have had words with both of them , one doesnt go anymore and t'other doesnt go very often . The way the car parks are situated you cannot get away with staying late. I did wonder if you are not confusing people doing nights on the Releif Channel , Langridge or North Met with anglers you think are staying late on the River , they all use the same car parks !!

Richard
 
Richard Borley said:
Tony,

Your comments amaze me , I have been fishing at Fishers Green for nearly 3 seasons , partly cemex and now the F/G consortium , in that time I have made many friends of the regular anglers and enjoy the venue immensely.
I think I know all the baliffs on the fishery and I have found them to be a
friendly and helpful bunch , I certainly would not describe them as aggressive.

There are only a few well known swims and these get fished every day of the season and i agree with you that it is frustrating that it is not easy to secure one , last winter one guy fished the same 'hot swim' every day for
a couple of weeks , he caught some great fish too , he also had a very long drive every day to get there so although that sort of thing is not for me , he was putting the effort in and got the results .

My advice would be to put some time in on the less fished areas and you will get some results , the stretch has changed and takes a bit of learning.

You seem to refer to anglers fishing 'after time' , this is some thing that I do not see . There are only 2 anglers that I have seen fish past time on a regular basis , i have had words with both of them , one doesnt go anymore and t'other doesnt go very often . The way the car parks are situated you cannot get away with staying late. I did wonder if you are not confusing people doing nights on the Releif Channel , Langridge or North Met with anglers you think are staying late on the River , they all use the same car parks !!

Richard
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Richard
I am not confused at all as to the area I state,I have fished it on & off over 30 years.But the facts from the contacts I have had from others both on the bankside and through this site then it would appear it is well known that certain anglers fish on throughout the night.
I only state what I personally witnessed,and I actually mistook one chap as possibly off for a long sessions carping the amount of bait carried would have put most of the french carp fishers to shame that was until I watched him turn off before the bailey bridge and head off to the shallows.
Maybe 2 of the 3 I came across were 2 of those you have previously had words with???I wouldn't know!Maybe you were 1 of them"I really DO NOT KNOW !
I have met several anglers who were very decent,I met those that couldn't be bothered to give you the time of day....thats no real issue...I was there to fish,not on a dating exercise.
With regards to Baliffs I have not stated all were arrogant just 1.
He should have and Im sure if hes reading this he will now realise he should have kept his veiws totally to himself.He is representing a consortium not his own personal interest.
I do fish the lower levels and will continue to do so albeit on short length forays.I do not expect the fishing to come good along the given lengths until October by which time the campers will hopefully have been dealt with.
Im quite happy to catch nothing,I go because I enjoy it just being there.
I fully realise I will be agrovating a few but the silent majority at least can add to this thread if they should chose to do so.
I want to fish a great venue but what chance if the goers are taken before the venue opens and after it closes.....its the German towel thing.
I will not be adding anything further I think I have said all I need to ...Like I said before..Its time for others to stand up and be counted if they dont then they really cannot expect changes to happen.....

heres a general knowledge question on the 26-08-2011 what time was sunset in the UK??? Answers on a postcard Please.
Dont bother heres the official times
August 27, 2011 6:18 19:37 13h 19m
August 28, 2011 6:19 19:35 13h 16m
August 29, 2011 6:20 19:33 13h 13m so I assume the river was empty at 20-33???

Tony
 
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Tony

Did you know the bailiffs have to purchase a membership card from one of the clubs that form the consortium to become bailiffs and fish the place. Its a poxy job, so fair-play to those who give up there social time and money.

Your well within your rights to pull people if you think they are fishing out of hours. Why not phone the parks police as well.

I'm not a bailiff but I help out and built swims in my own time.

Anyone can walk through and fish the place without getting caught because its a public park open 24 hours a day.

I'm sure the Head-bailiff would make you a bailiff if you ask. Contact the consortium and ask for his details. If not Ill ask him tonight for you.

Tony

PS the fishing off time on the river is now 10pm was 11pm up to end of August
 
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