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We all know centrepins are best for barbel fishing...

Take no notice of them Tim . Pins and cane I love em ,caught 2 feisty barbel this evening on an old Richard Walker Mk IV cane carp rod , well up to the job . I did cheat though using a 50 year old mitchell , tut tut :D:D


Mike,

I remember the old Mitchell FSs well, and the memories are not fond ones either. They had a very snatchy clutch and the line was prone to tangling behind the spool. All I can say is that you must like giving yourself a handicap, and as if the Ouse wasn't hard enough anyway!

Dave
 
They are no real handicap Dave . Granted the clutches are a little basic but still perfectly useable . I just like the look and feel of them , not big and clunky and very robust . If I want to go high tech I use an ABU Cardinal 54 80's vintage , they have superb clutches . I have tried various Shimano models and they are snatchy in comparison . The Okuma ones are OK though . For close in work I think a centre pin is hard to beat .Not Luddism just personal choice . Tight lines :D
 
Fair enough Mike. I too use 'pins for close in work and for trotting. I love to use them, and over the course of a season they'll be on my rods more than a fixed spool. However, I feel a fixed spool is more versatile, although I do realise that the title of this thread is tongue in cheek.

Rear drag Shimano's did go through a bad phase, clutch-wise, but they've sorted that now. Had an Okuma Epix Pro let me down badly once so got rid.

I have an old, working, Mitchell 410 in the shed gathering dust. Collection from Wakefield if anyone wants it.

Dave
 
Hi Mike,

You say 'Not Luddism, rather personal choice', and there is nothing wrong with that...we should all be allowed to follow our favoured way of doing things without criticism or comment, in my opinion. However, that is the point, isn't it? There is the 'new tech' lot taking the urine out of the 'old school group', and they in turn playing the elitist card and claiming the superiority of their much loved antiques.

Much better I think to do your own thing, and leave others to do theirs....otherwise you draw attention to the fact that your belief in the superiority of old technology in reels per se (which is demonstrably ludicrous), points to escapism, and a blind refusal to accept the truth....which is Luddism personified methinks :D

Cheers, Dave.
 
otherwise you draw attention to the fact that your belief in the superiority of old technology in reels per se (which is demonstrably ludicrous),QUOTE]



And tedious. You could catch 50 barbel from the Wye on a cotton reel. :rolleyes:

Funny you weren't using pins on either rod when I walked past you last season, Tim? ;)

Nice craftsmanship, no doubt; use them or frame them it matters not.

Nice gear, shame about the title.
 
Oh Dear those centre pins really divide opinion, it was amusing to me when all those that have never used the things went out and bought that cheap tat from Dragon? Cortesi or something, and then realised that as most of of know, (well those that would rather fish than tart around on the bank:D) that they are as problematic to use as they always have been, seriously how many times to you have to unpick the tangles whilst the fish are having a laugh?
I grew up with the things, and centre pins liberated my fishing, so why Oh why would I want to use such a outmoded device to challenge a hard fighting barbel..Sentiment?

Well yes that could be the only reason really.:)
 
Must admit I do enjoy watching someone fish with a centrepin, especially when trotting.

But never felt more of an angler when using one (once or twice) Well to tell the truth, felt disadvantaged.

Graham
 
But never felt more of an angler when using one (once or twice) Well to tell the truth, felt disadvantaged.

I've never tried to help an angler use a c'pin, that was more disadvantaged than you Graham :)

paul4
 
Paul
I know, and I haven't even got the 6 fingers of our country cousins.

However I was proud of my efforts with you, as it was far better than one time trying to use that Keith Speer rod n reel. He's cack handed. Solved by turning the rod upside down.;)

Graham
 
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I love these threads on pins :D:D

I was one of those that bought that cheap tat from Dragon, a great way to give the pin a go ... and now I have a Speedia as well (the thin end of the wedge???). I have a sort of love/hate relationship with them:

I love playing fish on a pin, you feel much more in touch with the fish, giving line is controlled by your thumb rather than by some bits of metal. And the pin sits on your lap so much better when you are touch-ledgering, and it's easier to cart around when roving through dense vegetation. And let's face it, a rod looks so much more beautiful with a pin on it!

The hate part comes from the casting. I don't generally get tangles, but it's just so hard to get the bait where you want it! I'm sure some will say its just practise, but I know that I've never going to master it, partly because there are just too many flaws in the whole concept. My Wallis casting is respectable (for a beginner) ... but not with a 2oz lead and a big lump of meat! The Nottingham cast is easier, but you can't get the distance, so you find that that tantalisingly barbely spot just off a submerged tree a couple of rod lengths downstream suddenly becomes frustratingly out of reach :mad:
 
Oh Dear those centre pins really divide opinion, it was amusing to me when all those that have never used the things went out and bought that cheap tat from Dragon? Cortesi or something, and then realised that as most of of know, (well those that would rather fish than tart around on the bank:D) that they are as problematic to use as they always have been, seriously how many times to you have to unpick the tangles whilst the fish are having a laugh?
I grew up with the things, and centre pins liberated my fishing, so why Oh why would I want to use such a outmoded device to challenge a hard fighting barbel..Sentiment?

Well yes that could be the only reason really.:)

Not questioning the fact that a centerpin is a really good tool in the hands of an expert Neil. The fact is, the only technology involved in a pin is that required to make it, and there is no denying that a decent one is an engineering masterpiece. Once it is made however, it is a very basic winch, with few if any refinements. A beautifully made winch, but still a winch. I does do the job very nicely, in the hands of an expert....but it is clearly NOT the type of reel I was talking about when I said that to to claim old technology was superior to new was, quite frankly, ridiculous.

Mike was talking about old Mitchell and ABU fixed spool reels from way back when being his tools of choice, and claiming that they compared favourably to present day Shimano models etc. Now, I would be the first to admit that there were classics amongst the dross back then, just as there are now...but the simple facts are that the the classics of the past can in no way compete with even some of the better of the cheaper models now, let alone the present day classics. Yes there is cheap tat out there, even now.....but comparing like for like....well there IS no comparison if we are going to be honest :rolleyes:

I had my Mitchell 300's, matches, 410's etc, back then...and loved them...but purely because they were infinitely better than much of what had gone before. Sadly for the Mitchells, ABUs etc, they have now joined that 'what had gone before' group...they are outmoded relics, with the better reels of today being far superior in the technology department.

It is fine to have fond memories of things of yester-year, to look back with nostalgia to days gone by, and to use old tackle because it makes you misty eyed and all that stuff. Not that I am not saying that a centrepin necessarily comes into that category...in the right hands it does a great job of the things it was designed to do, and so is a valid tool, if that is your chosen way . It's just that when folk start claiming that the old stuff was technologically superior....well quite simply, they are talking out of the centre of their nicely ventilated, ebony flanged whatsits :D And thats not just my opinion...as the man in the add, the one with the twiddly moustache would say....Go Compaaaaaare.

To HONESTLY compare, and still claim old is always best, is to be in denial...it is akin to joining the 'Flat Earth Society'. It IS Luddism :D Just admit it, and get on with your fishing :p:D:p

Cheers, Dave.
 
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Pins are great fun and do a job, but legering at at range and in heavy water, they are not suitable.

But they are second to none for trotting, laying on, stret-pegging, close range and touch legering.

Tim, I'll provide breakfast and dinner for a day's fishing. :p
 
Just out of interest, (not centre-pin) my 42 year old Mitchell 301 is still in active service.................. which is nice. :)
 
It is nice Chris....if that makes you happy, good luck to you, 'cos what you enjoy is what you should do (so long as it's legal and morally right :D) However, that's not the same as claiming it's better, is it? What you are indulging in is nostalgia, and getting pleasure from that....it's not the elitist fetishism some revel in :D:p:D

Cheers, Dave.

Whoops :p
 
Paul
I know, and I haven't even got the 6 fingers of our country cousins.

However I was proud of my efforts with you, as it was far better than one time trying to use that Keith Speer rod n reel. He's cack handed. Solved by turning the rod upside down.;)

Graham

Indeed GE.
Ole Keefy Speer bats from the back, seen him do it. All very odd.
I love my pins. Even better when I stick the rig in my bait boat and get 80yds plus across the Thames...:D

Being serious though ;) one of favourite moments last year was trotting bread fishing for mullet. Nailing those on the pin is an awesome experience, more so than barbel..

Ian
 
Indeed GE.
Ole Keefy Speer bats from the back, seen him do it. All very odd.
I love my pins. Even better when I stick the rig in my bait boat and get 80yds plus across the Thames...:D

Being serious though ;) one of favourite moments last year was trotting bread fishing for mullet. Nailing those on the pin is an awesome experience, more so than barbel..

Ian

Now you are talking Ian...mullet on trotted bread flake. Never tried it with a pin, but had some glorious days and fish on 'tother things :D

I would love to have a try for bonefish, as by reputation they are like big mullet on speed :p now THAT must be truly awesome :)

Keefy bats from the back you say? Damn. You just never can tell, can you.....

Cheers, Dave.
 
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Hi Mike,

You say 'Not Luddism, rather personal choice', and there is nothing wrong with that...we should all be allowed to follow our favoured way of doing things without criticism or comment, in my opinion. However, that is the point, isn't it? There is the 'new tech' lot taking the urine out of the 'old school group', and they in turn playing the elitist card and claiming the superiority of their much loved antiques.

Much better I think to do your own thing, and leave others to do theirs....otherwise you draw attention to the fact that your belief in the superiority of old technology in reels per se (which is demonstrably ludicrous), points to escapism, and a blind refusal to accept the truth....which is Luddism personified methinks :D

Cheers, Dave.

Evening / morning chaps . Dave , I obviously didn't make my point clearly . I was trying to say that I felt the clutch on the ABU Cardinal 54 was better than the Shimano reels I had tried , that was all . Of course plenty of the state of the art FS reels are '' better '' . I don't believe that old tech is always better than new fangled , it's just that I enjoy using Mitchell reels , cane rods and centre pins . They suit my purpose , I find them a pleasure to use and I don't think they leave me disadvantaged in any significant way . Ludicrous and escapist ? Well I am happy enough in my befuddled world .Elitist ? Don't be daft !Tight lines one and all
 
Pins are great fun and do a job, but legering at at range and in heavy water, they are not suitable.

But they are second to none for trotting, laying on, stret-pegging, close range and touch legering.

That sums it up nicely for me. Thanks Chris.

It's horses for courses and there's really no harm in starting a thread aimed at lovers of vintage tackle.

You can drive from A to B in a nice air-conditioned Audi S5, or an Austin Healey 3000. If conditions are favourable, I'd drive the Healey.
 
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