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Swivel knots

Hi men,

To be fair I can't remember the last time I lost any fish to a knot problem , certainly not since the 70,s . As advances in braid / mono means there is a bigger margin for errors . ANY of the above knots tied correctly will not let anyone down. I know someone who uses blood knots all the time , and has had some rally big barbel .


Hatter
 
Have to agree with Dave Hall regarding the tying of the grinner. I've never used a mahseer knot but just googled it and it looks like it creates little twist on the line. I like the palomar as it is an easy knot to tie especially with cold hands and fingers like sausages, how the hell I tied size 20 spade ends by hand as a teenager I'll never know :p
 
Stuart Brookes said:
Have to agree with Dave Hall regarding the tying of the grinner. I've never used a mahseer knot but just googled it and it looks like it creates little twist on the line. I like the palomar as it is an easy knot to tie especially with cold hands and fingers like sausages, how the hell I tied size 20 spade ends by hand as a teenager I'll never know :p
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i would have trouble seeing a 20 today...:D
get em ready tied....:D
 
Jon Frisby said:
Its not a case of which knot is best imo, its which knot suits the line you are using be it any brand of mono, fluoro or braid. On one fluoro a one turn grinner works on another a mahseer is far superior, whilst trying the other knot disaster awaits. When using any line I take a good amount of time trying out different knots, and find the one's which suit the line and take note.

Its worth the time and effort in finding out.
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Absolutely - Banged on several times in the past about this. Fluoros especially a point.
For 'my' braid (PP) I use a double double grinner, for Catana and some other monos a mahseer - think it is also called the Trilene knot.
Cheers
Bob
 
No need to google it Stuart, Steve Stayner wrote a piece for BFW years ago on how to tie the Mahseer Knot here: blank
The great thing about this knot is it expands slightly under compression, unlike most knots, and so has built in shock absorbing properties. Most other knots constrict as you pull tighter and tighter, or as a big barbel thumps away on the end of your line, and eventualy this weakens the line and causes it to snap. Bob is correct - it's also called the Trilene knot, which is how it appears in the knot guide posted on the forum a few weeks ago: https://barbel.co.uk/site/vbulletin/forum/barbel-talk/5138-knots.html
 
This thread has prompted me to take a good look at the mahseer knot, and it seems to me it is basically just a twice through the eye blood knot. The only difference I can see to that much recommended original of the 80's (or there abouts) is that the tag end is passed through both of the 'through the eye' loops, instead of just the one....and some of us were doing that way back then anyway :p

I have often heard it said that there is nothing new in fishing....perhaps they are right :D

Cheers, Dave.
 
David Gauntlett said:
This thread has prompted me to take a good look at the mahseer knot, and it seems to me it is basically just a twice through the eye blood knot. The only difference I can see to that much recommended original of the 80's (or there abouts) is that the tag end is passed through both of the 'through the eye' loops, instead of just the one....and some of us were doing that way back then anyway :p

I have often heard it said that there is nothing new in fishing....perhaps they are right :D

Cheers, Dave.
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that's what the mahseer is, half blood knots are useless if you want to catch anything over 5lb...:(
 
David Hall said:
that's what the mahseer is, half blood knots are useless if you want to catch anything over 5lb...:(
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I caught many a double figure river carp and my first few barbel on bog standard blood knots Dave, and I can honestly say I cannot remember loosing one because the knot went....but mind, it was a ruddy long time ago :D Later on we used the tucked blood, then the twice through the eye modification, with some then using the 'through both loops' variation.

All I am saying is it wasn't called the 'Mahseer' knot then....before it was re-invented :p

Cheers, Dave.
 
Not used fluoro main line so not had to tie it to a swivel , used it as hook link and used figure of 8 loop to connect to quick link , 1 of main causes of knot failure is failure to moisten it before tightening down
 
David Gauntlett said:
I caught many a double figure river carp and my first few barbel on bog standard blood knots Dave, and I can honestly say I cannot remember loosing one because the knot went....but mind, it was a ruddy long time ago :D Later on we used the tucked blood, then the twice through the eye modification, with some then using the 'through both loops' variation.

All I am saying is it wasn't called the 'Mahseer' knot then....before it was re-invented :p

Cheers, Dave.
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dave, the half blood was the first knot i was taught, i used it all the time till i lost a big carp in weed around 92/93 with knot failure, never looked back.
 
David Hall said:
dave, the half blood was the first knot i was taught, i used it all the time till i lost a big carp in weed around 92/93 with knot failure, never looked back.
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Thing is Dave....was it the knot....or was it the way you tied it on the day? One failure of a knot you had used for a long time seems pretty good results to me....and as I say, it may not have been the knot's fault anyway :p

I do think some of the knots in use today are probably better than some of the older nots, especially those that avoid line damage due to strangulation. However, I think the lines in use today are probably better and more forgiving as well. We did change which knots we used over the years, or modified the ones we were already using. However, I think that was possibly more down to impressionable anglers being told by the media of the day that the new ones were better, rather than changes wrought by necessity...i.e, because our knots were failing.

Not that any of this waffle matters anyway. Providing you use a decent knot that you have tied well and checked before use (and one which is, as Jon so rightly said, the appropriate one for the line in use)....and are using reasonably decent BALANCED tackle....you won't loose many fish due to knot or tackle failure anyway :p

Cheers, Dave.
 
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