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Swans attacked in crossbow horror at Throop Mill

Well that’s that then. Some mindless idiots shoot a swan with a crossbow and the reasoned response from the BFW is to form a vigilante group and hang them when no one is looking, and then proceed to shoot otters with catapults and marbles.

Matt Hayes is certainly correct when he says there will be no river fishing soon but not because of cormorants or otters; we do not need them when we have a bunch of redneck yahoo anglers to wreck our sport for us.
 
Give the Queen a bell , all swans belong to her don't they ? I am sure she will have a keeper of the swans who can sort things out . You never know killing swans might still hold the same punishment as treason ....
 
I can tell you if JW puts it up its not tongue in cheek, this is the bloke who puts treble hooks behind the lapels of his coat and always caries a knife, and being an east end butcher he knows how to use it. However if that fails you can expect a visit from his lads and if that doesn't scare you he'll send the psycho parrot round.

How is the parrot John, you still got a love hate relationship with it?
 
Ade the relationship with the green demon is getting better but only cos he,s turned his attention to the new family member, a 12 week old west highland terrier with only 2 things on its mind, eating and trying to chew hell out of my big toes and toenails,
as for otters, compare em to a german geezer with a little moustache under his nose, everyone stood by and talked and talked whilst he slaughtered and slaughtered and the world was warring, do we wait for a bunch of dithering
goverment people to do the same just like the cormorant issue only the new menace DOES sort out the larger fish or do we quietly take our frustration and anger and sort the bleeders out i aint bought an EA licence for 2 years
because of a couple of issues, nick me, yeah if they want to, i,ll make sure
some decent press will be there, Ade where i came from they didnt sew hooks into their lapels the sewed 3-4 lines up the sleeve mate:eek: the only way we stopped it was with a sheet of aluminium wrapped round the forearm and a nice lump of lead or iron pipe:D, Neil chill out a bit mate its all (well nearly all) posted as a bit light hearted comment mate:)
 
John,

Do you really think posting the fact that you are happy to fish illegally without an EA license on an open forum gives the right impression? If you want to fish without a license thats up to you, but why not be a bit more quiet about it?
 
Richard, each man protests in his own way, if the protections not given to our fish and fisheres to which most including me (apart from past 2 years) PAYS FOR! then why should we pay for something thats not doing much about one of the main things we pay for by getting one?
we had the same thing with cormorants, the government sat down and talked and talked about it while the cormorants multiplied inland and
left an awful lot of waters depleted of fish whie the powers that be laid in bed with bird protection probably thinking they would bring more votes in:mad:,
you say do what i want but keep i under the carpet!, as a sensible well adjusted chap i ask you what good would that do?
please dont say its no good for fishings image, there wont be much fishing left once our wild prime breeding stock has been slaughtered by the otters,
(next comment was deleted by myself because it was too unsuitable for a forum such as this but contained the word BACKBONE)
not sorry and wont sit back and moan whilst my main interest in life is destroyed through maligned intentions and also by patronisation:mad:
 
I applaud your stance John but your protest is a bit like a scream under water.

If you really want to be heard you should make it known where you will be fishing without a licence on opening day and then invite the EA to check your licence.

By doing that you will get your day in court and be able to state your case.

You could also invite the weeklies to come fishing with you and they could also cover the court case.

Go on John I dare you. You can afford the fine, in fact we could probably organise a whip round, we did it to pay Dereks electric bill and this is allot more important than that.

This could be your angling legacy mate.
 
John have you contacted your local MP to lay out your concerns? Have you perhaps written to your local paper? Of course if you decide to take the law into your own hands that is for you, and as an angler I too am concerned about predation, but any efforts to get the public onside I feel would be best to go about things the lawful route.

Sure you can go 'rogue' and not buy a license but in the courts I bet the Bench would view your stance as just an excuse not to buy a license.

Talk of killing Otter etc is stupid, but to talk of it on here is lunacy, so what Richard says is correct, remember their are lurkers that visit these forums and would be delighted to inform the Authorities that you are showing intent, and by your own admission you are already breaking the law.

Not as if you are hiding behind an alias too.
 
Adrian Williams said:
I applaud your stance John but your protest is a bit like a scream under water.

If you really want to be heard you should make it known where you will be fishing without a licence on opening day and then invite the EA to check your licence.

By doing that you will get your day in court and be able to state your case.

You could also invite the weeklies to come fishing with you and they could also cover the court case.

Go on John I dare you. You can afford the fine, in fact we could probably organise a whip round, we did it to pay Dereks electric bill and this is allot more important than that.

This could be your angling legacy mate.
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It could,or it could be a whole new world opened to him into the delights of prison cuisine. :rolleyes:
 
neil i can assure you prison is out of the question in my case,
Adrian i am not going to get myself in a situation where it could effect my health mate, my family was told in january that i wouldnt see the night out, still here but its another story, the more one has the larger the financial penalty is made by most courts, i havent made all the sacrifices to gain to be silly enough to invite financial pain. most who know me realise i think no
different of myself than others less fortunate and therefor have nothing to prove to anyone mate, the unrealistic prethinking before releasing these will over time prove to be the downfall to specimen fishing as eventually there will only be smaller fish to fish for, fortunately i wont probably witness the eventual demise but i feel very sorry for my son and grand children not having
the fortune to fish for fish of a size i have, the people who quiver at the thought of upsetting the demise of other people interests have my deepest
distain, thats it from me on the subject apart from how long did the government wake up to the fact badgers are the biggest carriers of TB but it still took dozens of years to get them to get off their backsides and do something, comorants was a lot quicker but still around 10 years or more, ask everyone how many otters will there be in 10 years time and how many big fish left, i say big fish because all big fish will be ripped open and the main part of their bodies rotting instead of eaten,
thats it no further replies about the subject from me now
 
I have just seen on TV The Toughest Place To Be a Fisherman, filmed in Sierra Leon, now that puts things into perspective as to what we do as casual fisherman fishing for purely sport and the day to day struggles of feeding a family on a meagre supply of fish, and all the hardships these people have to face daily.

Puts things into perspective, when we are concerned about such trivial matters as how much our sport will be affected if the Otter is left to do what Otters do and us wanting to dictate how our fish stocks are controlled to supply our sport.

Truth is Otters have more of a right to fish than we do, without the Otter we may as well convert the Rivers to commercial fisheries, Man hunted and killed the Otter with complete disregard, and now the Otter is back predating on a species that we introduced for sport only, so we have to I think embrace that as much as we embrace the Kingfisher and the Falcon.

We do not fish for food as Anglers we have no rights over what swims in our Rivers, however we are all responsible to ensure as much as possible to protect our Rivers from the more damaging elements such as Hydro Electric schemes and of course pollution.

To me those are the biggest threats, not the Otter, take a walk along any river after a flood and count all the plastic bottles and ally cans that take decades to degrade, that is the real threat not the Otter, and that sickens me more than the sight of an Otter.

Sorry to say but we are coming over as self serving and deluded to the bigger picture, OK I might get a bit of stick, but for goodness sake think a bit more beyond the next Barbel, don't get me wrong I love fishing for them as much as anyone on here but we are not addressing the real issues.
 
John Walker said:
neil i can assure you prison is out of the question in my case,
Adrian i am not going to get myself in a situation where it could effect my health mate, my family was told in january that i wouldnt see the night out, still here but its another story, the more one has the larger the financial penalty is made by most courts, i havent made all the sacrifices to gain to be silly enough to invite financial pain. most who know me realise i think no
different of myself than others less fortunate and therefor have nothing to prove to anyone mate, the unrealistic prethinking before releasing these will over time prove to be the downfall to specimen fishing as eventually there will only be smaller fish to fish for, fortunately i wont probably witness the eventual demise but i feel very sorry for my son and grand children not having
the fortune to fish for fish of a size i have, the people who quiver at the thought of upsetting the demise of other people interests have my deepest
distain, thats it from me on the subject apart from how long did the government wake up to the fact badgers are the biggest carriers of TB but it still took dozens of years to get them to get off their backsides and do something, comorants was a lot quicker but still around 10 years or more, ask everyone how many otters will there be in 10 years time and how many big fish left, i say big fish because all big fish will be ripped open and the main part of their bodies rotting instead of eaten,
thats it no further replies about the subject from me now
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If you are not going to have the courage of your convictions John and make your protest meaningful then I think you should buy a licence.
Not to do so makes you no different to any other poacher fishing in or out of season and is an insult to the 1.3 million of us who do buy one despite having the same misgivings about it as you.
 
I fully understand where John is coming from regarding the EA licence, in a nut shell its a complete sham.!!!..Most of the licence money is going towards flood defence, and other non-fishing things including helping Otters..
I have tried to find the information Martin Bowler has been talking about regarding where does the EA fishing licence money go, as he has said ALL ANGLERS would be shocked as to how little of that money actually is for the benefit of fishing. I honestly wish everyone would wake up to whats actually occuring and take a stance and say WE ARE NOT PAYING THE EA ANYMORE, UNTIL THEY START PROTECTING ANGLING AND USING ALL THE MONEY FOR ANGLING..I think that if the likes of John Wilson OBE and Hugh Miles are being ignored then what chance does Angling have..:mad:
 
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