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Roach

#22
A fantastic day on the Test with over 50 roach with about 8 well over the lb.Best 1.12.. Thought I had a monster roach between 2 1/2 and 3lb but on inspection a roach/bream hybrid.

4 golden bream to 7lb, a few perch to over the lb. Dace to 14oz grayling over the lb and a few rudd to 1.8. And about 25 trout to 7lb.

Mate Rog had similar topped with a 2.4 rudd. Knackered.
 
#26
Pretty stupendous day Graham, and to get rudd on that river is pretty amazing.I had a little rudd off the Ouse the other week but, I hear there are better ones towards Ely.
 
#27
Yes Chris and really a bit disappointing. I am sure they will interbreed with the roach as well to a degree. I was told past floods being the cause. Last season also a single barbel was spotted.

I have also caught one rudd in the Wye. Mind you the local carp ponds are full of them.

The best rudd I ever caught was of a Bedfordshire brick pit. Once featured on a John Wilson programe.
 
#28
Mission accomplished
Within half an hour of starting this morning I had my first float caught 2lber from the Wye 2lb 6ozs had 3 over 2lb on a red letter day at Ross about 8 years ago but they fell to flake and mashed bread cage feeder.Pb 2lb 10ozs from the Monnow in 2004
 
#29
Mission accomplished
Within half an hour of starting this morning I had my first float caught 2lber from the Wye 2lb 6ozs had 3 over 2lb on a red letter day at Ross about 8 years ago but they fell to flake and mashed bread cage feeder.Pb 2lb 10ozs from the Monnow in 2004
 
#38
Gorgeous misty morning on the BA. 5 nice roach on the tip. These are two of the bigger ones. Wish i had brought my scales for the one in the net, it was very broad across the back. 20181020_105035.jpg 20181020_115912.jpg
 
#39
Been speaking to a few lads on another forum and the general consensus is that the feeder gum must go as it acts as an inertia recoil string and serves to bump fish off, as Mark has also just pointed out. I included this to try and compensate for using a rod that was stiffer than I'd like, but hadn't really considered this problem.

Also, the flexing of the hook seems to be a common problem others have encountered, and so I think some thicker gauge hooks are in order. The regularity in which roach take static barbel baits on the river I fish gives me confidence that the difference in presentation will have negligible impact.

There is also the issue of the way I generally bring roach to the net i.e rod high rather than low and to the side. Apparently playing roach in this way limits the way they shoot to the surface and roll, and you can get them to glide in with less of the jagged head shakes of which they're renowned. This is something I'm going to work on next session.

I try to match the weight of the feeder to the flow so that as little extra resistance causes it to dislodged as possible. I've found this to be around 15gr in the majority of the areas I fish at normal river levels. I set this up free running on a swivel bead to a quick link and attach the feeder. A couple of beads are then place above the hook link swivel to kick it away from the feeder. Nothing more complicated than that really, don't like to use complex rigs as a general rule, as I think in most situations they're a hindrance.

Thanks for all the feedback so far. Is the above in line with your experience when tackling roach?
i'm a new member but have spent the last eight years fishing for specimen stillwater roach - often five short sessions per week

so i have some experience

regarding 'power gum' i use approx 8" of ESP 14lb Power gum on many rigs to cushion the use of braid - 'weaker' gum is too elastic and will enhance the 'bounce' effect

the braid i use is tungsten impregnated (to improve sinking) and extremely fine diameter

and my rods are not 'pokers' as i mainly use Fox Kevlar Specialists with the 0.75 tc tip and for range Korun Xperts in 1.1tc

regarding hooks - the Kamasan B983 is fine - i have had 20+ carp on the larger sizes - and use the larger sizes for big perch

i use a variety of hooks including size 12/14 circles with some hair rigged corn rigs - interesting and still being developed

also some of the trout fishing grub/nymph hooks are superb - fine wire but designed for double figure trout (thanks to Chris Brown for that info)

i mostly fish a two hook helicopter set up on a heavy sinking braided leader (20 - 30lb carp fishing fast sinking braided mainline - thanks to Korda/Gardner who have helped me to source the best materials)

specialist roach fishing is a rare pursuit these days especially on stillwaters - i know of a few carp waters that a producing large roach but in most cases access is difficult and then you have to wade through all the pond pigs (not anti carp as i fished for then for nearly forty years - just anti modern carp anglers!)
 
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#40
Welcome Nick.
I am targetting a big Wye roach.

At the moment the river is full of dace. Hard to get through them on the float so looking at the feeder.

Avon top or Quiver tip in your opinion.?