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Remind me why?

Paul im just concerned about the future of our river eco systems..Im sure people like your goodself with vast experience and knowledge would be a great loss to angling when you decide enough is enough..I was only expressing my opinion regarding the EA and what little they are doing now and indeed of the last few years which is why our rivers are suffering so much now..I actually think your wasted on these websites and would probably be a good spokesman for angling in general if your not already..I do recognise you obviously know what your talking about and have a vast experience in such matters..But dont you think paul that given the present circumstances that the EA are only going to get worse due to funding cut backs?..And given that,where is our licence money going to be going?
 
Hi, Colin, I did remember that it was you - about a minute after my first posting.

As I have said all along, here and elsewhere, ad infinitum, unless we can get past the Anglers v. The Rest mindset - cue the lyric of an ancient Hollywood musical ("Oklahoma") song that an even more ancient, Northern aunt plagued me with as a child -


The Farmer And The Cowman Lyrics


The farmer and the cowman should be friends.
Oh, the farmer and the cowman should be friends.
One man likes to push a plough, the other likes to chase a cow,
But that's no reason why they cain't be friends.

Territory folks should stick together,
Territory folks should all be pals.
Cowboys dance with farmer's daughters,
Farmers dance with the ranchers' gals. (repeat)

I'd like to say a word for the farmer,
He come out west and made a lot of changes

He come out west and built a lot of fences,
And built 'em right acrost our cattle ranges.
The farmer is a good and thrifty citizen, no matter what the cowman says of things.
You seldom see 'em drinkin' in a bar room
Unless somebody else is buyin drinks.

But the farmer and the cowman should be friends.
Oh, the famer and the cowman should be friends.
The cowman ropes a cow with ease, the farmer steals her butter and cheese, but that's no reason why they can't be friends.

Territory folks should stick together,
Territory folks should all be pals.
Cowboys dance with farmer's daughters,
Farmers dance with the ranchers' gals.

I'd like to say a word for the cowboy, the road he treads is difficult and stoney.
He rides for days on end with jist a pony for a friend.

I sure am feelin' sorry for the pony!

The farmer should be sociable with the cowboy if he rides by and asks for food and water.
Don't treat him like a louse make him welcome in your house.

But be sure that you lock up your wife and daughters!

Territory folks should stick together,
Territory folks should all be pals.
Cowboys dance with farmer's daughters,
Farmers dance with the ranchers' gals.



- then we and Angling in the long term are fooked.
 
Just walked the stretch in question and its an absolute tragedy, its a hard enough stretch anyway let alone without any snags in there, its gonna be a long tough season.
 
Hi men ,

Anyone know the situation at Adams Mill ?, as strong rumors that it has been "improved" ?. Will try and get over to look this weekend .

I contacted the Angling Trust on this issue. I got a reply from Mark Owen saying he was interested in thois subject , and wanted the club to contact him directly to discuss it. I have emailed the club with the details , and hope they will contact eachother . Bit late , but perhaps not for other bits.

Hatter
 
From now on, it's less a matter of where the EA have been and more a matter of where they are going next?..... ie. get proactive!!!

As for where they've been, this winter cut some stout willow osiers and get them stuck into the banks at the waters edge. In three years time you'll have your trees back, and more (if you plant enough).... and get your club to tell the EA that they cannot cut any more trees on their banks without the clubs consent to do so.

Really the EA only ever get away with this stuff because we let them. Over the last 30 years I've planted far more trees than the EA have removed from any fisheries I've been involved in. Also we have banned them from coming on the land without our consent and a maintenance plan we approve. Like I indicated earlier it's angler's apathy that allows the EA to get away with this!

Then there's the case for mitigation..... the EA have a duty to maintain, improve and develop fisheries, so get on their case and get some mitigation.... a thousand Calverton barbel and a fully paid for by the EA fisheries habitat restoration program is a good starting point!

Otherwise we can bleat about it on here and do nothing...............

PS. Make sure you're planting goat willows and not crack willows, or you will be doing yourself no favors!
 
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If the article in AT is to be believed then Natural England will be in control of the whole lot and then we had better watch out.
 
Hi men ,

Chris , one of the pastimes when Im blanking , is to sow willows . Even the smallest piece has a chance .

The reason I put the club - AT together was that the club owns another long stretch downstream of where they stopped the carnage . There are less trees/ cover to have a go at , but you must start somewhere . Lets hope the sec I emailed yesterday has read , and taken on board the help or advice that AT might be able to give .

I will foloow it up with another email, just to see how things go.


Hatter
 
Good move. Then the well-educated, not easily flustered, unlikely to give someone a Glasgow Kiss for not sharing their every view and idea, people at the Angling Trust can start talking to the people who run the EA's ground-troops, who in turn will issue edicts and set up courses for their employees about not effing-up rivers as some sort of default setting. It's the way things actually get done in the real world, not balls-out belligerence with the inevitable "OMG, another nutter" disconnect.
 
Mark Anderson said:
Hi men ,

Chris , one of the pastimes when Im blanking , is to sow willows . Even the smallest piece has a chance .

The reason I put the club - AT together was that the club owns another long stretch downstream of where they stopped the carnage . There are less trees/ cover to have a go at , but you must start somewhere . Lets hope the sec I emailed yesterday has read , and taken on board the help or advice that AT might be able to give .

I will foloow it up with another email, just to see how things go.


Hatter
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Good on ya Mark, I have a work party on another stretch this Sunday, don't think the said section has been ripped???? (YET)!!
If I can help in any way fella then shout.
 
Chris Turnbull said:
From now on, it's less a matter of where the EA have been and more a matter of where they are going next?..... ie. get proactive!!!

As for where they've been, this winter cut some stout willow osiers and get them stuck into the banks at the waters edge. In three years time you'll have your trees back, and more (if you plant enough).... and get your club to tell the EA that they cannot cut any more trees on their banks without the clubs consent to do so.

Really the EA only ever get away with this stuff because we let them. Over the last 30 years I've planted far more trees than the EA have removed from any fisheries I've been involved in. Also we have banned them from coming on the land without our consent and a maintenance plan we approve. Like I indicated earlier it's angler's apathy that allows the EA to get away with this!


Otherwise we can bleat about it on here and do nothing...............
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Really....Nothing personal Chris but why has this thread taken three pages to repeat what I effectively said in post#3.

Get your suit on and argue your case.
 
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