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Pulled out

Steve Gregson

Steve Gregson

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Having pulled out of three Barbel this week, making a total of ten this season, it's got me thinking about my presentation and hook lengths.

I normaly use a braid hooklength (sufix heavy) but recently started using fluorocarbon (Grand max riverge) and have noticed an increase in catch rate, but also an increase in hook pulls. I've never had so many and was wondering what others thought's are...I've been thinking of combi rigs but that means another knot in my line, which puts me off.....Any thoughts ??


Oh and i regulary check and change my hooks :)
 
I'm on the same boat as you, Iv tied combi rigs at home and the knot strength is fantastic just got to get out there and give it a whirl.
 
Combi Rig sorted it for me. I think you get a better pivk up in the first place because of the soft braid. With the fluoro being so stiff I think the fish feels this on it's lips and does'nt pick up as well and when it does pick up you don't get a good turn over of the hook in to the fishes lip resulting in a light hook hold hence the hook pull.
Not sure I've got my point over quite right but there you go just my oppinion and the way I do it. I'm sure there are loads of answers but who know the reel reason???.
 
Wayne I did just the same. I used 12lb Drennan sink braid and 10lb Wychwood Fluorocarbon fly leader. Tested it on my digital scales several times and it always broke around the 19lb mark. I thought good enough for me. Tied a few up at home and have not used any thing else since.
 
Flouro is stiffer than braid of course and so means you get a different angle at the hook. This, in combination with the fish feeling the flouro, may be it.

Or maybe you're pulling too hard. Or just unlucky. Or using the wrong hooks.

ESP curves give superb hook holds and are the sharpest I've found. size 7s are great. They turn on to the point really well, give them a try on your hand on a rig.
 
Simon, do you tie fluoro to a curved hook with a knotless knot, does the line exit the eye at an acceptable angle?.
 
I have a couple of questions:
Why do you think that you are getting a better catch rate with Fluocarbon hooklengths? I was always under the impression that a soft braid (not coated) was the least likely to spook the fish if they touch it with their fins, apparently it 'feels' similar to weed.
Secondly why use a combi rig? instead of sticking with braid all the way through if you think that using fluoro reduces the hooking efficiency.

I started using shrink tube on the hook to create an anti eject a couple of years ago to improve the hooking efficiency after seeing the carp boys do it, now I use the Korum anti eject sleeves. Since using these sleeve I dont seem to be suffering from many, if any, hook pulls. and wont cast in a line without them.
 
I should have said in my other post that when the line broke at around 19lb it never broke at the combi knot it always!! went at the figure eight loop knot that I use to attach the hook ling to a Fox qiuck change swivel.
 
Michael I use the combi rig simply because using braid I was for ever getting tangled but with just 2" to 3" of soft braid tied to fluorocarbon or mono I get the benifit of a soft hook link near the hook but a stiffer line to stop the tangles. I tryed using a coated braid but did'nt get on with it and with using long hook links it was quite expensive.
 
I've been using fluro hooklenghts for at least the last 5 seasons and have only had 1 or 2 hook pulls in that time. As we all know the fish hook themselves so maybe your rod is too heavy? I'm using korum S3 seamless eye hooks, I recommend them with fluro.
 
Michael Hall said:
I have a couple of questions:
Why do you think that you are getting a better catch rate with Fluocarbon hooklengths?
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Because i'm getting more bites and landing more fish, i've just never had as many hook pulls as i have this season...When using two rods, i've used both and found the fluoro has the better results..
 
Cliff Turner said:
I've been using fluro hooklenghts for at least the last 5 seasons and have only had 1 or 2 hook pulls in that time. As we all know the fish hook themselves so maybe your rod is too heavy? I'm using korum S3 seamless eye hooks, I recommend them with fluro.
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Cliff, i use a Harrison Ballista 2 Ib test i find it very forgiving with a nice through action, and Pallatrax The Hook or Fox Arma Point...
 
I had the hook pull problem using a Nash Barbel Elite 1.75tc rod which I find to be quite stiff compaired to my Free Spirits which have a softish top but stepped up butt or my Greys Prodigys which I no longer use since I got the FS they are quite a bit softer in the action and which I have no problem with hook pulls. I also use the S3 or ESP T6 raptors.
 
I personally believe with the combi link the bite will almost be instantaneous and the flouro will hold bottom like a dream and the use of a bit of putty will hook the fish a long time before it realizes what's going on. IMO anyway
 
Steve
I had the same problem in the summer when i went from the 12lb Riverge to the 14lb as i was fishing near some rough ground.Never got cut off but pulled out of a few fish. Ask Mr Boyne as i was bragging that i hadnt had a hook pull in years then a shed full:eek:
Dropped back to the 12lb and not had a problem since, give it a try mate if your on the 14lb as we fish the same area a lot of the time;)
 
Phil Adams said:
Simon, do you tie fluoro to a curved hook with a knotless knot, does the line exit the eye at an acceptable angle?.
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I dont use flouro myself very often but if you tied flouro with a curve shank hook it'll not work properly and youll still have the angle problem.

Shrink tube someone said they use for anti eject properties, but the shrink is really to turn the hook point down by adding the curve in and not for anti eject properties (unless using long lengths).

Braid allows a curve shank hook to turn, flouro does not so much.

Best way is to tie up some rigs, put a bait on and drag them across your hand and it should make sense. There's a real difference with curve shanks vs straight.
 
John Monaghan said:
Steve
I had the same problem in the summer when i went from the 12lb Riverge to the 14lb as i was fishing near some rough ground.Never got cut off but pulled out of a few fish. Ask Mr Boyne as i was bragging that i hadnt had a hook pull in years then a shed full:eek:
Dropped back to the 12lb and not had a problem since, give it a try mate if your on the 14lb as we fish the same area a lot of the time;)
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Cheers John
It's 12.5 Ib that i'm using..i've just tied some combi rigs using an albright knot, i'll give them a go this week.....What makes these hook pulls worse is it always happens on a lump ! :D
 
I use combi rigs for a lot of my fishing,but a couple of weeks back I lost a lump with a combi rig..
Sometimes these things just happen..
Until I lose a few more..
I won't be changing my rig just yet!

Luke
 
Luke Ayling said:
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Sometimes these things just happen..

Luke
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Exactly. Do all you can to minimise these things but if the fish are feeding tentatively for whatever reason then they'll not pick up the bait confidently.

14lb flouro will be stiffer than 12pm so will cause more problems.
 
I was thinking about using a combi but how do people tie them???

I was thinking about doing the knot less knot but instead of going back through the eye just put a blob of super glue on it and tie the fluro straight to the eye of the hook????
Or is there a better way of doing it???


cheers jamie
 
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