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Making paste

I use 5ml myself these days, just wondered. Cheers.


Going back in the thread a bit, haven't read the whole thread, but the high oil level may have caused the paste to fall apart after defrosting. I'd go with the advice to buy some base mix, it's designed to bind well with eggs
 
Was not commenting directly on your inclusion rate, Darren. 10ml, sometimes more can be fine. :) I was just expanding for info for those whom might not have the experience with bait than others.

I sometimes run before I can walk, but I reckon if one has time it is always a good idea to place home made baits in a glass of water just to see how its nature changes with time whilst immersed as well as varying the temperature
 
So a shop bought base mix will basically already have its own colour and more importantly flavour? I have a birdfood mix by Solar that has squid and octopus with a high amount of black pepper. Was thinking of using that this winter.
 
Hurgz, the colour of most birdfoods turns out somewhere between medium brown and yellow due to the seed and egg content.

Not familiar with that mix personally.

Edit: assuming no Robin red!
 
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Darren George said:
Guys, do you find hemp oil is ok to use in cold water? I wonder if the 'less oil in winter' thinking is more relevant to those oils that start to solidify in the fridge. Never had that problem with hemp oil.

A few years ago I experimented with 10ml per egg in paste baits with encouraging results. Just wondered if you had any thoughts?
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Hi Darren,

I guess whether or not hemp oil is affected by your fridge depends on what temperature you have it set at :D I am not certain at what temperature hemp oil will react, but it will at least partially solidify at some stage...in fact I don't know of any oils that are not affected by low temperatures unless it has been winterised.

They will still act as a fat content for dietry requirements, and the fish may well like the taste once the bait is consumed, but they will have little if any attractor properties in winter in my opinion.

Cheers, Dave.
 
Just to confuse...

I fished the Middle Trent last Feb/March & had some corking sessions. Every morning there was a hard frost. One night ambient temps dropped to minus 12C & water temps were less than 4C dropping. Fished oily ellips pellet covered in hallibut pellet paste with a feeder filled with mixed seed, paste & pellet...

In essence, throw away the barbel book & its set of principles & give it a go regardless of the temps. Just wrap up warm!
 
Jon Whelan said:
One of the reasons I only use 5ml per egg, sometimes less, is the fact that the ingredients that I use in the base mix are relatively high in oil too. Hence, cutting back on my summer inclusions. Another thought is that if ones bait is laden with oil, will it smoother the texture of the bait preventing some of the more subtler flavours leaching out so readily(?). Not to mention that higher concentrations, higher than those already stated on this thread, might not be beneficial to the fishes diet.
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Hi John,

Not sure if they can do that in warmer temperatures, but I wouldn't be surprised. I do know that when the fat content of an oil solidifies in winter, it can, to some extent at least, lock in the other attractors in a bait :eek:

We need to talk to a serious bait guru...one with a scientific background who can tell us for certain the effect of every inclusion we might wish to make :D

Cheers, Dave.
 
Agreed Dave. It is a thought I have been playing around with in my head. Using a high quality base for my boilies & leaving a proportion of the mix for a lovely smooth paste.

I use a good proportion of oyster shell (& limestone flour) to offset buoyancy of certain ingredients & aid leakage too. Nice crunch factor too!

Cheers, Jon
 
Jon Whelan said:
Just to confuse...

I fished the Middle Trent last Feb/March & had some corking sessions. Every morning there was a hard frost. One night ambient temps dropped to minus 12C & water temps were less than 4C dropping. Fished oily ellips pellet covered in hallibut pellet paste with a feeder filled with mixed seed, paste & pellet...

In essence, throw away the barbel book & its set of principles & give it a go regardless of the temps. Just wrap up warm!
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You aint wrong there Jon. It is much like the wind direction/temperature/moon phase worries that encourage/stop some from getting out. The ONLY cast iron fact in fishing is that if you aint there...you won't catch :D

However, it would be nice to be certain,while sat there on a freezing night, the only sound the tinkling of tiny brass monkies loosing their undercarriage, that the lack of action is NOT something horribly wrong that you have inadvertantly done while formulating your bait :D

Cheers, Dave.
 
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