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Making Own Bait

I have to agree with @Jim Gregory on this one. I've used ready mades and home mades and there really hasn't been much difference over the season. I've made really expensive home made baits with top quality ingredients at high quantities and then had days where I've had awesome results on a company's bait.
The one thing I do think that makes a difference is the freshness of a bait and for that reason I'd rather buy direct from the bait company itself than off a shelf in a tackle shop.
depends on the shop mate and how well they look after it (ROTATION)..
- personally shelf life is not my cuppa tea anyway - sitting out in the daylight all day or not I just won't be confident on it and have always preferred frozen - I don't trust the bait companies (notice that is very general)
let me be a bit more diplomatic:
I would be happy with some shelf life in small quantities, but only from my favourite, proven little handful of medium size very passionate professional readymade boilie companies, who have loads of flair and make far more complex, better designed base mixes than one or two of the big players (who's base mixes, I found out, are a little on the simple and low quality, money grabbing - ''marketing heavy'' side of things - shall we say) 🤣😂
 
depends on the shop mate and how well they look after it (ROTATION)..
- personally shelf life is not my cuppa tea anyway - sitting out in the daylight all day or not I just won't be confident on it and have always preferred frozen - I don't trust the bait companies (notice that is very general)
let me be a bit more diplomatic:
I would be happy with some shelf life in small quantities, but only from my favourite, proven little handful of medium size very passionate professional readymade boilie companies, who have loads of flair and make far more complex, better designed base mixes than one or two of the big players (who's base mixes, I found out, are a little on the simple and low quality, money grabbing - ''marketing heavy'' side of things - shall we say) 🤣😂
That last statement can also sum up a lot of tackle that’s manufactured too !!!
 
but if well made I believe shelf life will ''turn frozen'' once it is frozen
i.e mould once thawed -

I don't use one or two of the biggest players, but it would not suprise me in the least if they simplified their mass production (indeed, Jeremy) by making all the baits shelf life and then chucking about half of it in giant walk-in freezers lol
 
A lot of the top anglers in the country use shelflife baits and many prefer them to the frozen versions. I think a lot of people still look down on shelflife as inferior but there are fat too many incidents where the shelflife has outperformed the frozen version. Trigga was a prime example of this.
 
Hi men ,

I was paranoid about using frozen fresh baits , to the point of driving for a couple of hours to the owner of Mainline,s bungalow to pick up a car load of Grange and fill a chest freezer full. In the last few years iv been off grid in France so took Sticky Krill in shelf life, catches everywhere, and including my colne valley water , IV no problem using them .

Hatter
 
Dried freezerbait is superior to shelf life -
something happens to it, the bait concentrates and magic happens (you have to do it right with thought and care)-

I am weaning off the bait industry and working on making my own anyway (a bit overdue) - but in my opinion that is just fact -
I'm far and away happier with good frozen boilies..
 
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A lot of the top anglers in the country use shelflife baits and many prefer them to the frozen versions. I think a lot of people still look down on shelflife as inferior but there are fat too many incidents where the shelflife has outperformed the frozen version. Trigga was a prime example of this.
Did it actually though? I know Nutrabaits always claimed this but I always believed it was marketing bs.

Personally I found the shelf lifes more than adequate for barbel, but no better or worse than frozens.

However, I feel more comfortable using freezer baits when introducing any amount of bait regularly purely on the basis that there isn't an organism on the planet that benefits from a diet laced with preservatives.
 
''F2 60/40 with Supermilk''

I wouldn't go there personally mate - His basemixes are well designed, very evolved and very slick, there is no need at all to overcomplicate and start mixing them together in my opinion -
(and I'm 95% sure he would tell you the same thing)
. . .Quite the opposite Tommy - and if you ask him nicely he might even do it for you . . ! (ssshhh)
 
I wouldn't be interested in that mate -
I like JB quite well and keep some, I found an electric combo last season after much trial and error and wasted cash -
He's good; but I didn't like all his mixes and flavours - quite a bit went to a kids charity
I'm carving my own path entirely with bait more and more these days using very nice gourmet ingredients; taking full control including basemix
 
I don’t see how shelf life’s catch more fish unless there attracted to preservative ?
In my fishing I like to take any kind of doubt out of the equation, so I like to use fresh bait ideally followed by frozen less than six months old
I don’t trust most bait companies, heard some horror stories , one of them named in this thread !
If your in Yorkshire look up West Yorkshire carp baits on Facebook , he does a Spicy Fish and it just catches , but it isn’t very selective, I’ve had pike roach chub barbel tench and carp on it , which in my mind is a good thing , it’s rolled fresh and I collect it from his garage straight into my freezer , think it works out about £8 kilo depending on amounts . Plenty of hook bait options and a paste as well .
Got the utmost confidence in it , as good a bait as I’ve ever used .
 
I’m waiting on a delivery of shelf life boilies that the maker told me keep for 3 months. Compare that to Sticky Krill shelf life which have a use by date of 3 years.

Not knocking Sticky Krill, it’s a great all-rounder in my experience, I normally use any I have left at the end of a season for groundbait though.
 
I am wondering if there is a benefit in creating my own fresh bait from John Bakers range, or sticking with the Herb from Handcraft Baits. Fishing the Hampshire Avon & Dorset Stour so both low stock venues.
Do the attractors in John's baits & flavours really outfish off the shelf baits?
If you're making baits using a bait company's ingredients, it's not really producing your 'own bait'. you can individualise it to a certain extent by adding various flavours, and mixing ingredients either produced by the same company or even others.

Making your own bait, designed, and produced from your own experimentation is another ball game altogether ! Experimentation is the key word ... finding a bait mix entirely individual to yourself, can take a long time to find that really effective bait, and it can take years, and it can for some become almost a hobby in itself, and is when the few out there that pursue bait making seriously, gain an understanding of the subject whereby they can make bait from different ingredients, utilising different ingredients and flavours, all of which can be very effective barbel catchers, but producing that bait, can only come from understanding how to apply it correctly, when you achieve that, you will naturally get the best from your bait, the other side of the coin, which will almost certainly see you giving it up as a bad job.... most likely pretty quickly when it all becomes a chore, where you just chuck ingredients together willy nilly in the hope of finding a good mix, where you'll probably have disasters especially if trying to produce boillies, when you get problems trying to get them to roll.

What I'm trying to say is there are two routes to go down, as you say making baits formulated using other bait companies ingredients, either using the powders straight from the packet, most likely following the instructions on the packet, producing a standard mix from that company, or doing your own research, producing a very individual bait, that you can be certain no other angler on the planet is using.

Nowadays it's much easier than in years gone by to 'hitch a ride' from others research, the internet is a wonderful thing ;) but still being able to produce your own individual bait, it'll still take quite a while getting your head round the minefield of advice, but it's out there if you want to find it, but still if you really get into it you'll find you'll never stop learning, and the key principle is enjoyment, if you enjoy the journey it won't become that chore, which will inevitably guarantee failure !

'Do the attractors in John's baits & flavours really outfish off the shelf baits?' .... Sometimes yes, sometimes no !

John without doubt has put an awful lot of research into producing his flavours, my only advice when using them is to follow his recommendations in their inclusion, and application, at least until you're confident in using them. I.e increasing or reducing them according to the river conditions you might find, and as far as i can see he's happy to give individual advice, drop him a line if you feel the need ;)
 
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Hi men ,

We eat preservatives 🤔

Hatter
Not really mate no, unless you count salt (which is essential for survival)
I don't do any convenience, processed foods (well almost none it depends where you are and what you're up to)

I don't touch sorbate, benzoate foods like pastries and shelf life cakes and very rarely have sodium nitrite either as I gave up piggys/salami type things etc (nor do I like wine)..
 
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