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Lead style

David Craine said:
Lead clips are just one more gimmick from the carp world methinks . Carp anglers ( not all , but quite a lot ) only ever use what is commercially available and probably would not be able to cobble a totally home made rig together using if they were asked .
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Why do you come out with statements like that ?

do you think your some sort of superior angler because you fish for a certain species of fish ?
frankly I find it insulting its not clever ? Yes there are some not so good carp anglers but there are just as many not so good anglers that fish for barbel too ?
so why do you and people like you keep mentioning carp anglers ???? WE ARE ALL ANGLERS and thankfully Barbel anglers are not all elitist ! just a few that THINK they are
I fail to see the need for the snide remarks towards people that fish for other species

I have been an Angler for 66 years (since I was 8) and have caught every species of fresh water fish including bleak and pope ! enjoyed them all lots changed in that time some things for the better some for worse
but the thing that brasses me off is the childish football team mentality of some Barbel Anglers

as having fished for Carp for 50 years and in that time I have never heard a carp angler on any forum or social media page slagging off Barbel Anglers ?
it just seems to be some Barbel anglers have this delusional attitude they are some how superior ???

JUST enjoy your fishing share tips and information and stop the cobblers
 
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Gerry Giles said:
Why do you come out with statements like that ?

do you think your some sort of superior angler because you fish for a certain species of fish ?
frankly I find it insulting its not clever ? Yes there are some not so good carp anglers but there are just as many not so good anglers that fish for barbel too ?
so why do you and people like you keep mentioning carp anglers ???? WE ARE ALL ANGLERS and thankfully Barbel anglers are not all elitist ! just a few that THINK they are
I fail to see the need for the snide remarks towards people that fish for other species

I have been an Angler for 66 years (since I was 8) and have caught every species of fresh water fish including bleak and pope ! enjoyed them all lots changed in that time some things for the better some for worse
but the thing that brasses me off is the childish football team mentality of some Barbel Anglers

as having fished for Carp for 50 years and in that time I have never heard a carp angler on any forum or social media page slagging off Barbel Anglers ?
it just seems to be some Barbel anglers have this delusional attitude they are some how superior ???

JUST enjoy your fishing share tips and information and stop the cobblers
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Well said Gerry.
 
Spot on Gerry, ive seen some idiots in ALL aspects of fishing and i find it gets a bit boring when people on here slag off carp anglers with their holier than thou attitude, i asked what i thought was a sensible question regarding lead set ups to have a discussion and it didnt take long before carp anglers methods get a pasting , ive used lead clips on and off for years and NEVER had an issue with them as i did my research on what clips were best and how to set them up safely, and to put another spin on the debate because i fish a very heavily weeded river the last set up i would use is a running lead as the last thing i want is a big fish charging through weed , coming out the other side and my lead still on the near side of the weed and then having to pull the fish back through the weed or the fish running off , the lead staying where it is and a 10 metre gap between the lead and fish, just my thoughts btw, i use drop off lead systems to enable me to land fish in heavy weed situations , if my river was weed free i'd probabably wouldnt use that system , just my opinion
 
Ok, I don't particularly like the inference (carp anglers are lesser mortals) but it is fairly inarguable that "not all, but quite a lot" of carp anglers do use pre-tied rigs ('off the shelf' contraptions ..made from the manufacturer's various bits 'n bobs).
But then, if they feel unable/incapable of tying their own, maybe it's best that they do just that?
Dunno .. if they don't fully understand the 'mechanics' of the rig, can they use it safely? (e.g. using an 'open water' rig next to a snag, or using it on a river to catch barbel, carp, or whatever comes along)
If a man grows up always having meals placed in front of him then he'll never learn to cook, and by the same token, pre-tied rigs could lead to the user never bothering to learn (e.g. what's safe practice, and what's not) "Practise makes perfect".
N.b.. I've found fixed rigs, lead core, and a popped up bent hook rig in the river.
 
Gerry Giles said:
Why do you come out with statements like that ?

do you think your some sort of superior angler because you fish for a certain species of fish ?
frankly I find it insulting its not clever ? Yes there are some not so good carp anglers but there are just as many not so good anglers that fish for barbel too ?
so why do you and people like you keep mentioning carp anglers ???? WE ARE ALL ANGLERS and thankfully Barbel anglers are not all elitist ! just a few that THINK they are
I fail to see the need for the snide remarks towards people that fish for other species

I have been an Angler for 66 years (since I was 8) and have caught every species of fresh water fish including bleak and pope ! enjoyed them all lots changed in that time some things for the better some for worse
but the thing that brasses me off is the childish football team mentality of some Barbel Anglers

as having fished for Carp for 50 years and in that time I have never heard a carp angler on any forum or social media page slagging off Barbel Anglers ?
it just seems to be some Barbel anglers have this delusional attitude they are some how superior ???

JUST enjoy your fishing share tips and information and stop the cobblers
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Hi Gerry, and others, thank you for your insightful and thought provoking reply.I seem to have touched a nerve somewhere. Take a chill pill and relax a little.

Firstly, let me dispel your apparent lack of foresight , I am no elitist Barbel angler, I do not pretend to be one, any more than you do, I fish for every species of fish that comes along Chub, Pike,Bream, Grayling,I inexpertly flick a fly occasionally , oh and I do a lot of sea angling , boat and shore as well, you name it I have probably caught it, or failed miserably in the attempt. Way back in the late 60’s early 70’s I did fish a little for carp, but it was a different world then, without all the gimmicks and paraphenalia that “Carp” anglers see as being so neccessary .

Why do I mention Carp anglers ? That is an easy one to answer. Look in any angling publication , go to to virtually any tackle shop, and see what items of gear are being heavily advertised..pushed and sold………..if the cap fits wear it, and I think it fits rather well on a large proportion of todays anglers .

To say that these gimmicks and paraphenalia have moved across from the Carp world to Barbel angling, indeed to virtually all forms of angling is true, and cannot be denied. If people want to use them , then fine, but my point is that maybe it would be nice just once to see somebody fishing with basic equipment as I do mostly, and catching the same fish, whatever species they be after , and proving to themselves that all the fancy gear is not needed. There are a growing number of anglers with similar views, I know there are as alternative websites show this to be the case.

My observation, and I stand by it, that todays carp anglers ( and again, I say not all, which you seem to have missed as well) would probably not know how to tie up a rig without resorting to off the shelf branded custom made bits and pieces or things seen as must use items is probably true as well. It is my belief that some of them actually will not attempt to catch a carp without these gadgets. They have become slaves to advertising and carp fashion, like it or not, it happens. It has also happened in the Barbel angling world, which makes me smile.

I have no delusions as you put it that I am in any way superior, but at least I do know that I could turn up at a venue and fish for any species without half the stuff that a lot of people carry about with them, and hopefully catch a fish or two. I would hope that anybody on here could do the same.

Call it rebelling against modern techniques if you like, I agree that some things are improvements, knotless mesh, unhooking mats, folding seats, a lot of the luggage that is now available, light carbon rods, etc etc, but the day that sees me unable to function as an angler without a wheelbarrow full of gear, a holdall full of so called hi spec rods and a tackle bag full of plastic bits that imo are largely unneccessary for a few hours on the bank will never arrive.

I do not think in any way that I am superior to any other, but that does not stop me smiling when I see somebody struggling to catch with hundreds of poundsworth of gear, or trying to justify having it, they probably wont catch any more than I do, maybe they will, does it bother me ? No not at all. Just being out on the coast or river bank is plenty enough for me.

So, now I will start to get a few bits and pieces together for a trip to the river, chasing Chub.

If you think the above is another derogatory or mocking piece, well you are welcome to your views.The one problem is that like it or not, I think the content is a description of a goodly number of todays anglers, Carp, Barbel or otherwise.





David.
 
Chris asked a great question 👍 in the past I’ve tried all styles fixed,semi fixed,running rigs, nothing at all just hook and line, now back on the semi fixed style running rig with a weaker hook link
We all share the same passion that’s fishing!
Fishing for me is all about the experience as a whole the technical side the day out etc,
The challenge each situation brings requires a different answer/solution
Everyone I’ve ever meet on the bank has given advice freely, hints a tips shared in a common quest, that’s what I love about fishing.
I agree with rod when he said about my son dropping leads on takes nobody wants leads all over river and lake beds
And I’ve had the very same conversation with him on the subject,but to his mind fish safety comes first and I can’t argue with that.
Just a thought on experts! experts said the titanic couldn’t, wouldn’t sink!
 
We get very carried away with things and forget what fishing actually is.
A pastime, hobby, enjoyment, passion.
It’s not a job, career, task, chore (for most anyway)
We shouldn’t be singling out any anglers for their chosen methods or equipment unless it’s going to cause unnecessary* harm to fish, man or environment.
I Say unnecessary because you can’t fish without causing some discomfort to any of those 3. Fish obviously. We’ve all unintentionally left rigs in the trees and we’ve all pricked ourselves with something in our boxes. The important thing is doing everything you possibly can to avoid these things as much as possible.
Fishing isn’t something we should be arguing about it’s a good thing that people do and do differently.
So some people can’t tie a rig. Who cares. Why does that matter to those that can.
Pike anglers are just as likely to buy a shop bought trace as a carp angler buying a shop bought rig.
The only thing that matters and the only thing that should be on anyone’s concern list is not where the rig was made but is it safe. Will it kill a fish if it’s left hanging out it’s trap. If you can say no. Your a good angler and who gives a shit how you transport your gear to the bank or what you spent on your rods.
I’m a simple angler in the respect anyone could cobble my rigs together very quickly and I like to travel as light as I can. That’s just my style.
I won’t pass any judgment on people I pass geared up for all seasons I’ll just say Hi and wish them the very best of luck. They’ve got as much right as I have to be there and as much right as I have to fish their Own style. After all he’s a fellow angler enjoying his pastime as am I.
 
I like tinkering with rigs
I also like getting tackle , I have way too much - it’s not rational but I work hard and fishing is my passion so I make no apologies for this
Carp fishing just doesn’t do it for but fair play to those who enjoy it - some of the best river anglers I know also like a few days behind buzzers and these lads can catch in a puddle.
Lots of people I know have benefitted hugely due to the marketing and R&D in the carp world, not only in terms of TT development and baits but also there can be some amazing bargains to be had as carp lads unload their ‘ old’ gear
My pal picked up 3 x custom century rods for less than £70 each and they are awesome pike rods, replacing 25 year old armalites which will be upcycled - and on it goes
Each and to their own and life throws enough hassle at us, this is our happy place
A bit like Swale barbel at the moment, you won’t get a bite from me on here
 
I'd say ... before 'Location, location, location' should come education. It you stop and think your rig through, knowing what should be where and why, and you try to make it as simple as possible whilst remaining effective, then that's a good start to catching your target. If you don't need it, don't use it.
 
I agree Terry that watercraft is way more important than tackle and rigs but I don’t think it does any harm to consider and implement new elements into your game plan
This season has been very tricky, the fish are there but way more twitchy than we can remember
What we did discover is that the better fish have been tucked up really tight under cover ( possibly we have more otters?)
Consequently we’ve had to use different rigs as conventional ones were far more likely to tangle and get snagged fishing very tight to willows and fishing in the flow hasn’t been very productive
i used this approach on a different river and did ok but my friend used absolute standard running rigs and emptied it. Quite often less is more.
 
David Craine said:
Hi Gerry, and others, thank you for your insightful and thought provoking reply.I seem to have touched a nerve somewhere. Take a chill pill and relax a little.

Firstly, let me dispel your apparent lack of foresight , I am no elitist Barbel angler, I do not pretend to be one, any more than you do, I fish for every species of fish that comes along Chub, Pike,Bream, Grayling,I inexpertly flick a fly occasionally , oh and I do a lot of sea angling , boat and shore as well, you name it I have probably caught it, or failed miserably in the attempt. Way back in the late 60’s early 70’s I did fish a little for carp, but it was a different world then, without all the gimmicks and paraphenalia that “Carp” anglers see as being so neccessary .

Why do I mention Carp anglers ? That is an easy one to answer. Look in any angling publication , go to to virtually any tackle shop, and see what items of gear are being heavily advertised..pushed and sold………..if the cap fits wear it, and I think it fits rather well on a large proportion of todays anglers .

To say that these gimmicks and paraphenalia have moved across from the Carp world to Barbel angling, indeed to virtually all forms of angling is true, and cannot be denied. If people want to use them , then fine, but my point is that maybe it would be nice just once to see somebody fishing with basic equipment as I do mostly, and catching the same fish, whatever species they be after , and proving to themselves that all the fancy gear is not needed. There are a growing number of anglers with similar views, I know there are as alternative websites show this to be the case.

My observation, and I stand by it, that todays carp anglers ( and again, I say not all, which you seem to have missed as well) would probably not know how to tie up a rig without resorting to off the shelf branded custom made bits and pieces or things seen as must use items is probably true as well. It is my belief that some of them actually will not attempt to catch a carp without these gadgets. They have become slaves to advertising and carp fashion, like it or not, it happens. It has also happened in the Barbel angling world, which makes me smile.

I have no delusions as you put it that I am in any way superior, but at least I do know that I could turn up at a venue and fish for any species without half the stuff that a lot of people carry about with them, and hopefully catch a fish or two. I would hope that anybody on here could do the same.

Call it rebelling against modern techniques if you like, I agree that some things are improvements, knotless mesh, unhooking mats, folding seats, a lot of the luggage that is now available, light carbon rods, etc etc, but the day that sees me unable to function as an angler without a wheelbarrow full of gear, a holdall full of so called hi spec rods and a tackle bag full of plastic bits that imo are largely unneccessary for a few hours on the bank will never arrive.

I do not think in any way that I am superior to any other, but that does not stop me smiling when I see somebody struggling to catch with hundreds of poundsworth of gear, or trying to justify having it, they probably wont catch any more than I do, maybe they will, does it bother me ? No not at all. Just being out on the coast or river bank is plenty enough for me.

So, now I will start to get a few bits and pieces together for a trip to the river, chasing Chub.

If you think the above is another derogatory or mocking piece, well you are welcome to your views.The one problem is that like it or not, I think the content is a description of a goodly number of todays anglers, Carp, Barbel or otherwise.





David.
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you state it doesn't bother you but clearly your post says it does ????

who cares if a bloke for whatever his reasons spends his money on a pre tied rig !! did you ever stop to think MAYBE the guy buys a few rigs ready made and lets be honest they are made to a vey high standard and then he copies it I think a lot of people do that

you say it makes you smile when you see someone struggling to catch with hundreds of pounds worth of gear ?
that statement says a lot about you !

luckily most people would offer to help him and share info show him why he may not be catching ???
fishing is truly a wonderful hobby and it means different things to different people

so here is an idea just get on enjoy your fishing and stop worrying about a man who wants to spend his money on whatever he chooses and fishes the way HE WANTS TO !
provided he is doing it safely and his fish care is good thats all that matters and its his business how he chooses to fish
I am so incredibly lucky to have joined this forum I have met and made friends in fact I have just returned from a successful 48 hour trip on the river and it all down to the advice and help from a forum member
to me life is about helping one another not laughing at them

THIS is my final post on the matter life is too short to argue and we will never agree
 
Any in-line arrangement is taboo for me on the rivers I fish - they are far too snaggy.
By snaggy, I am not referring to sunken tree branches etc. but rather rocks and stones which trap the lead/feeder. My rigs need to lose the lead if I have to pull for a break. 90% of the time I can get the hooklink back safely with the hook and bait completely undamaged. I wouldn't be able to do this with an in-line lead and BOTH of the systems mentioned in the OP are therefore of no practical use for me. Sorry.
 
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