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Korda camo bolt and run rigs,

Haydn Clarke said:
Will the bolt still work if you do that though or does it just become a running rig?
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Just becomes a run rig, but does have the advantage that it kicks the hooklink out better. On the middle Trent where I mainly fish the takes are anything but shy and the gravel and rocky nature of the river bed, makes me wary of clipping up in any fashion. I would hate to think of leaving a Barbel tethered to a lead / feeder jammed in between rocks.
 
Well I share your sentiments about clipping up and more often than not I just use simple running rigs like a John Robert’s link or such like. Surely though the whole point of this is to do what is says on the tin. Maybe it should be just called a Korda Camo Run Rig?
 
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David Gauntlett said:
Back on the subject of these Korum camo-bolt-and-run-rigs, I like them, and thanks to you guys, I have tied a few, easy peasy. My problem now is that on the thin end of the housing that the swivel fits into, there is a collar on that thin end (see Richard Isaacs splendid picture on his post), and all the pics show the run ring pushed up the thin part, and over that wee collar, up to the angled fatter part of that item, thus achieving the 'bolt' affect. Obviously, the 'run' part of the name is supposed to be achieved by the the run ring pulling back over that collar during the fight, allowing the lead to run free. My problem is, on the sets I have, there is no way in gods earth to push the run ring over the collar, WAY too tight a fit, and even if you could some how get it over, there isnt a hope in hell of it ever coming back over to achieve the 'run' part of the name. Am I going nuts, or got it all wrong....or a duff batch?
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As someone else mentioned, perhaps there’s been a mix up in your packet. Korum make these in a large and small size and there’s quite a difference, see pic below. The run ring is a tight fit over the rib, but you’ll be surprised how often it’ll be loose post-fight.

Haydn Clarke said:
Well I share your sentiments about clipping up and more often than not I just use simple running rigs like a John Robert’s link or such like. Surely though the whole point of this is to do what is says on the tin. Maybe it should be just called a Korda Camo Run Rig?
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They do work perfectly. If you want a running version Korum also sell those (Camo Running Rig Kit, see below).

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Top: Korum Camo Bolt & Run Kit - Small
Middle: Korum Camo Bolt & Run Kit
Bottom: Korum Camo Running Rig Kit XL
 
I think I may be in the minority when I say I don’t like these rig components. I bought a pack when they first came out and found the ‘rubber’ to be extremely hard, more like plastic, such that the run ring would not come loose even with substantial pressure from me when setting the rig up. In the end, I put them in the bin on the basis they were more of a fixed lead system and totally fish unfriendly IMO. Hopefully, I got one from a bad batch.
 
Graham Elliott said:
What a faf.
Enterprise Snag free. Down to.
Rubber Tulip bead ( the ring over this on casting will kick the hooklink out from the lead/feeder,)
Size 8 swivel ( to tie your hooklink to or attachment swivel.)

About 45p.
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A faff ….. It doesn’t get any less of a faff and it sounds like your tying two knotts graham to your size 8 swivel where as this system can be put together in 20 seconds and 1 knott
Push line through ring and bead, tie a knot to quick change swivel…….. hook length just loops over the swivel before you snug it all up.
Anyone that uses a rig where they are tying a knott at both ends of a swivel is going to be spending more time faffing than it takes me to throw this bolt and run kit together and I’d have money on that.
 
Richard. So the hook link hasn't got a knot?

And a over £5 a shot. I'll make 8 rigs for that, taking less than ninute each.
And if my hooklinks are pre tied to a swivel, exactly as quick as yours.

And, I prefer a knot to a swivel, when I go through the swivel twice and safer imo, before tying than any loop tied system. And with a lead or feeder it's kicked out beautifully.



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Graham Elliott said:
Richard. So the hook link hasn't got a knot?
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I was wondering the same here. Apart from the fact that the running link fits over the bead (allegedly….. depending on who you listen too…..) then it seems very little difference from what I already use: a quick change running link buffered by a large swivel bead. Same amount of knots, same potential failure points in fact no difference whatsoever. Apart from, of course, Mr Fairbrass’ net worth increases by Foxtrot Alpha - which is to be considered a plus as far as I’m concerned.

I use a quick change swivel for convenience but also recognise that a securely tied swivel is more secure and every time a hook link is slid off from a QC swivel there is potential to damage the contact point of the line.
 
My Hook links are all pre tied they have a loop tied on the end and I tie them up by the dozen as and when.
As I don’t tie my hook links while setting the complete rig up then i wouldn’t include the time taken to tie that loop into the set up so no there is no 2nd knott to tie when setting up.
Your set up looks perfectly fine to me G but i consider yours more time consuming if we are being pedantic. I mean i wouldn’t really care about doing it either way but I was just correcting you on the fact that they are far from a faff. It’s as simple as what you demonstrate in your set up.

Yes more expensive granted but who cares really. You ain’t losing them frequently. 4 could easily last me a season. I’ll spend a dam sight more on broken floats and blunt hooks.
 
Richard Isaacs said:
My Hook links are all pre tied they have a loop tied on the end and I tie them up by the dozen as and when.
As I don’t tie my hook links while setting the complete rig up then i wouldn’t include the time taken to tie that loop into the set up so no there is no 2nd knott to tie when setting up.
Your set up looks perfectly fine to me G but i consider yours more time consuming if we are being pedantic. I mean i wouldn’t really care about doing it either way but I was just correcting you on the fact that they are far from a faff. It’s as simple as what you demonstrate in your set up.

Yes more expensive granted but who cares really. You ain’t losing them frequently. 4 could easily last me a season. I’ll spend a dam sight more on broken floats and blunt hooks.
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"Yes more expensive granted but who cares really. "


Judging by the rivers fished, there's a lot of Yorkshire folk on the site, Richard 😀
 
Blimey people do seem to be getting their knickers in a twist over this. No horse in this race but:

Graham Elliott said:
And a over £5 a shot.
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£5 for a set 4 rigs so not really a fiver a shot.

Haydn Clarke said:
Apart from, of course, Mr Fairbrass
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What has any of this got to do with Danny Fairbrass? It’s a Korum product, not Korda. Last time I looked Korum was owned by Zebco, Korda independent.

Haydn Clarke said:
Apart from the fact that the running link fits over the bead (allegedly….. depending on who you listen too…..)
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Hmmmm….
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Obviously everyone has their preferences 🤷‍♂️
 
Richard Bennett said:
I think I may be in the minority when I say I don’t like these rig components.
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I'm with you. I used one this week and had a few tangles, when the sleeves are supposed to be anti-tangle. I do use the ring that you attach the lead to (picture), but then use a Drennan Big Grippa Stop, rather than attaching my hook link to the swivel, as in Graham #28. This part of the Korum set-up can be bought in a pack on their own, Drennan do a similar thing that I just bought a packet of.

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Kevin Steele said:
I'm with you. I used one this week and had a few tangles, when the sleeves are supposed to be anti-tangle. I do use the ring that you attach the lead to (picture), but then use a Drennan Big Grippa Stop, rather than attaching my hook link to the swivel, as in Graham #28. This part of the Korum set-up can be bought in a pack on their own, Drennan do a similar thing that I just bought a packet of.

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Must admit I don’t get tangles with them
I have changed the sleeves on mine for longer stiffer booms to kick it right out but the original has worked tangle free for me since i started using them.
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Stupid question but you do feather your casts right?
 
Richard Bennett said:
I think I may be in the minority when I say I don’t like these rig components. I bought a pack when they first came out and found the ‘rubber’ to be extremely hard, more like plastic, such that the run ring would not come loose even with substantial pressure from me when setting the rig up. In the end, I put them in the bin on the basis they were more of a fixed lead system and totally fish unfriendly IMO. Hopefully, I got one from a bad batch.
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Have to agree with the comment about feeling plastic.

I got the equivalent Drennan kit a few weeks ago and they felt poor compared to some of the carp gear currently available
 
Richard Isaacs said:
Must admit I don’t get tangles with them
I have changed the sleeves on mine for longer stiffer booms to kick it right out but the original has worked tangle free for me since i started using them.

Stupid question but you do feather your casts right?
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Edit: I really should preface my posts with the fact that I'm a novice barbel fisher, so take me seriously at your peril. 😁

I do feather my casts (with both float and when ledgering). No idea why I only started getting tangles with tubing. I'd use a twizzled boom for lines of 8lb and below, but for 12lb I stopped bothering and found I hardly ever tangle, so I just don't see the need for tubing.

(Just thinking... this might be because I attach my hook link well below the lead or feeder, so there are no hinges on the main line around the lead/feeder.)

Q. What did people do to prevent tangles before all this tubing came along? It's an 'old skool' question, because having not coarse fished for 40 years I couldn't believe how complicated it can be these days... if you let it.
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Kevin Steele said:
Q. What did people do to prevent tangles before all this tubing came along? It's an 'old skool' question, because having not coarse fished for 40 years I couldn't believe how complicated it can be these days... if you let it.
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You’re absolutely right Kevin and I think the answer is people casted properly and had no choice.
I used to fish for chub with a paternoster rig which was a piece of line tied to my main line with a 4 turn water knot.
Shot on 1 end and hook on other. Nothing to stop tangles apart from decent cast technique
 
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