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John Baker

You can knock up your own milk protein mix for less buying the ingredients from quality baits. If you can't be bothered then the super milk does the job.

Nick C
 
Simon Lush said:
Did hear Nutrabaits have been bought out Darryl ? Taska ? certainly a few of their baits have been discontinued.

Re the price of JBs Supermilk, Apparently Nutrabaits did away with Hi Nu Val because of the price of some of the ingredients, i heard it was going to have to be sold at somewhere between £20-£25 per kilo :eek: hence it went. Supermilk ? Bargain :)
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Whether or not Supermilk is a bargain surely depends on the ingredients John is using, and the type and quality of each ingredient...and the inclusion levels. The fact that Nutrabaits did away with Hi Nu Val because of the price of 'some of the ingredients' has not a lot of bearing on that. There are milk proteins, and then there are milk proteins :D

Cheers, Dave.
 
I may roll myself a few boilies for my barbel fishing Bio Shellfish/ Krill Extract/ Ala Salar/ Plum...What do you think would those beards go for it?
 
alar salar john its been used for well over 30 years now, origionally by keith selleck from middx anglers if i am correct, he showed me one day exactly what it is, half salmon oil and half halibut oil, no more no less and nothing else, why pay over the odds mate;)
 
Yes John, a few of John Bakers flavours were Middlesex angling centre,Keith Sellick, originals.After Keith passed, John baker kept a few of the most successful flavours going,Alar salar and meatball were MAC flavours and possibly others.The bait man Steve in my local tackle shop the Fishermans cabin used to work in Middlesex and help make up the concoctions.I remember Keith first showing me the line aligner on the counter of the shop, a very long time ago.
 
I have used theJohn Baker big chub mix several times in one particular swim and had good success with it.several nice Barbel have been netted using this.it is a lovely paste to mix and handle.i cannot fish anymore and given my baits away
Albert
 
One frustration with the JB website, is that there are currently no recommended boillie/paste recipes; lots of base mixes, flavours and additives to choose from, but could prove expensive if you don't know what you are doing. I do recall some previous recipes which had 4 or 5 components?

Unlike carp anglers, in my experience as a barbel angler, I only use 3 or 4 kilos of boillies per season, so again can I justify the outlay?

I've undertaken two baiting campaigns on a local river using Mainline Hybrid and CC Moore Oddessy (simple base mix and liquid needed) and when applied correctly, both produced plenty of fish. For years I also used Mainline Maple 8, it caught me several PB's, worked on any river and had longevity (again simple base mix and liquid activator).

Why would I want to go down the experimental JB route?
 
David Gauntlett said:
Whether or not Supermilk is a bargain surely depends on the ingredients John is using, and the type and quality of each ingredient...and the inclusion levels. The fact that Nutrabaits did away with Hi Nu Val because of the price of 'some of the ingredients' has not a lot of bearing on that. There are milk proteins, and then there are milk proteins :D

Cheers, Dave.
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I was being flippant Dave, and well you know it :D
 
Does anyone remember the Spiced Monk Oil from Middlesex Angling Centre?
 
The boilie hub do a very good value milk protein mix which is £20 for 2kg, and they list the ingredients, which are proper milk proteins. No lactalbumen included, but you can't have everything at that price.

Nick C
 
that keith had a wonderful sense of humour, i miss those chats on quiet days in the shop, in betwween him drifting off into a far distant place halfway thru a chat lol, miss him and carp fishing lost a great angler when that unfortunate event occurred that night,
 
I have used JB base mixes in the past, cannot remember catching bugger all on them to be honest, thats not to say they are no good, just my experiance of using them.

I was given a very good "milk" mix recipe and used correctly it has worked very well for me in the past. I find the trick is not to use to much, a one egg mix is more than enough for a two rod session. I was told when i was given the recipe that i was trying to catch them not feed them!

With that in mind, it makes a cheap bait!
 
Would you be able to cut a different base mix with a milk protein one? I like the sound of John bakers taste4barbel and his milk protein I was thinking about 50/50 of each the milk protein and taste4barbel. Anyone tried something like that. Jb's website doesn't have recipes but he will always reply to an email with advice usually next day.
 
does the base mix matter so much. i would have thought the flavours more important
 
Andrew, of course the base mix is important mate, take origional alar salar or meatball, keith told me that fishmeal base worked best . i tried it with a really good milk protein base at that time and it didnt get half the fishmeal results, with other flavours as some specialist oils or flavours milk protein based mixs worked great in apposed to fish meal, its all about trial and error and time or gleaning bits a peices from others and working it out yourself mate, one thing i will add and thats a poor quality bait in the right spot at the right time will far outweigh a terrific bait in the wrong place at the wrong time;), rivercraft is a much more trusted ally
 
Andrew Richardson said:
does the base mix matter so much. i would have thought the flavours more important
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If you’re on a prebaiting campaign, the flavour acts as a label only. If I prebait for two or three weeks before fishing (several times per week), the fish are on the bait straight away, when I come to fish. This is because they associate the flavour label with a good food source and they have remained unmolested in the swim whilst eating it.

I've read much about keeping flavour levels low, when prebaiting; however in my experience, intensity of flavour levels make no difference, as you only get one or two shots (mostly one) at each fish regardless. Once the bait has blown, leave it for a period and then start the process again with another boillie.

If I used a poor quality food source with say Monster Crab or Frankfurter Sausage flavour, would the Barbel actively seek it out above all else? Probably not and I want the Barbel to be actively looking for my bait.
 
Came across a VERY old fishing book ( published 1880's) discussing how to catch wary/uncatchable Carp, pre baiting over a long period and getting them used to eating something was the jist of it.
Very interesting was the next stage though, this involved fishing for them in the normal way but removing the bend of the hook so they got used to picking up baited rigs without getting caught. After some time to educate the fish it was ok to pick up baited hooks the real fishing began.
Obviously this would blow eventually but food for thought.
 
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