How many rod rings on a 12' rod?

[Mark Gaskell]

big house on the hill beckons!

your right for something dave!

 

[David Gauntlett]

Having a bad day Mark

Cheers, Dave.

 

[Stephen Bond]

12 on my 12' rod with the standard tip on my JW Young.

It certainly doesn't seem under ringed, nor do I find it overly so!

Stephen

 

[Simon Lush]

I had 7 single legs plus tip put on my Chimeras, in the hand they feel way nicer than the factory builds, they are the first ones made, specialists i think they were labelled but essentially Chimera 2s, those rods have been battered over the years and are still good today, ring wise i don't like double legs on light rods and have never broken a single leg yet, did have an insert fall out of one of the butt rings on those rods though (the only double leg !!)

 

[Mike Hodgkiss]

I'm presuming we are talking here about rings on barbel rods used for ledgering or bottom fishing as they used to call it back in the day . If so I don't feel that 11 or 12 rings are essential , but they wouldn't do any harm . However if you are talking about using a 12 foot rod to floatfish / trot / free line for barbel then I think rings , their number and spacing would have more of an influence , e.g too few rings could lead to your line sticking to the rod particularly in wet conditions hampering the free flow of your float or indeed freelined rig

 

[David Gauntlett]

I had 7 single legs plus tip put on my Chimeras, in the hand they feel way nicer than the factory builds, they are the first ones made, specialists i think they were labelled but essentially Chimera 2s, those rods have been battered over the years and are still good today, ring wise i don't like double legs on light rods and have never broken a single leg yet, did have an insert fall out of one of the butt rings on those rods though (the only double leg !!)

I have a very expensive rod with single leg rings Simon, in two seasons I have snapped one (tiny) ring off (Using a poxy quiver instead of my usual rod bag, the exposed line caught on a branch moving between swims, worst bit of kit I ever bought was that quiver). Since then I have bent several more in parrot cage swims, and a lining has come out twice. It may be I am a bit clumsy, but whatever, I can't say small, fine wire single leg rings suit me too well.

Cheers, Dave.

 

[Dave Powell]

Holdall

I can recommend the Korum Total Protection quiver David. I use the two rod version for my Yorkshire river rods as it's on these rivers that I'm more likely to be walking through woods, or other potentially rod damaging undergrowth. You can usually pick them up cheap secondhand but they're worth the full price.

Dave

 

[David Gauntlett]

That is exactly what I use now Dave, the previous quiver which gave me the problems was a typical original style quiver, whereby the rods butts are popped into little pockets at the base, and the rest of the rod is fully exposed. I bought tip protectors, but in some of the swims I regularly squeezed into (branches, brambles, nettles, you name it) the snags would find anything not covered...and that caused all my issues.

I guess there is a place for such quivers, on the endless open banks of some lakes and large rivers...but it was a mistake in my case. However, the Korum has cured all that. Mind you, good as it is, there are STILL minor issues with the Korum. Why on earth did they not make it just one measly inch longer, so that it wasn't a constant battle to squeeze even the standard 12' rods in...which they were apparently designed for? And why did they see fit to put the umbrella retaining pocket and straps over the top of the full length entry zip, meaning that you had to remove the umbrella every time you wanted to get your rods out, whether you needed to use the brolly or not? It's so annoying that even the very best products on the angling market have thoughtless, ridiculous design faults. The frequently seen 'Made for anglers, by anglers' is a very good sales pitch...but rarely means a damned thing where designing good products is concerned.

Cheers, Dave.

 

[Dave Powell]

Quiver

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I Mind you, good as it is, there are STILL minor issues with the Korum. Why on earth did they not make it just one measly inch longer, so that it wasn't a constant battle to squeeze even the standard 12' rods in...which they were apparently designed for? And why did they see fit to put the umbrella retaining pocket and straps over the top of the full length entry zip, meaning that you had to remove the umbrella every time you wanted to get your rods out, whether you needed to use the brolly or not?

Agreed Dave. I tend to take an 11' and 12' rod and it's definitely a tight squeeze with the 12'.

The umbrella pocket isn't an issue as it never rains in Yorkshire so no need to carry one! I do take a poncho just in case though.

Dave

 

[Ian Hugo Arnott]

Gentlemen,

We clearly need a new thread and poll on " Which Quiver?"




Hugo

 

[Andrew Boyne]

I had 7 single legs plus tip put on my Chimeras, in the hand they feel way nicer than the factory builds, they are the first ones made, specialists i think they were labelled but essentially Chimera 2s, those rods have been battered over the years and are still good today, ring wise i don't like double legs on light rods and have never broken a single leg yet, did have an insert fall out of one of the butt rings on those rods though (the only double leg !!)

When you say 'feel nicer' do you mean simply it feels better to hold, probably because less rings makes it feel lighter, or was the fish playing action better? I'm with you on single leg guides and have them on all my specialist rods, yet to break one.

Gentlemen,

We clearly need a new thread and poll on " Which Quiver?"




Hugo

We could do with several Hugo; " Which Quiver " to decide what to put your rods in, " Which Quiver Tip 1 + 2 + 3 " to decide glass or carbon, then what oz rating and finally how many rings to have on said quiver tip! Give me a minute . . .

Seriously though, Mike's recent post got me thinking a bit. Shortly after the original post I rebuilt one of my Barbel rods and upped the ring count from 8 intermediates to 10. I honestly felt that this improved the rods action, but actually it's probably more to do with the fact that those on the top 3rd of the rod were moved closer together to fit 10 in. On the original factory build the 1st ring was over 6" from the tip the 2nd nearly 15" on the rebuild there are 3 rings in that space at 4, 9 and 15" and it's that which improves the action of the rod. It's probably possible to maintain that action with 8 rings so long as those first 3 or 4 are fairly close to the tip.

 

[Simon Lush]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Simon Lush
[I had 7 single legs plus tip put on my Chimeras, in the hand they feel way nicer than the factory builds, they are the first ones made, specialists i think they were labelled but essentially Chimera 2s, those rods have been battered over the years and are still good today, ring wise i don't like double legs on light rods and have never broken a single leg yet, did have an insert fall out of one of the butt rings on those rods though (the only double leg !!)]

[When you say 'feel nicer' do you mean simply it feels better to hold, probably because less rings makes it feel lighter, or was the fish playing action better? I'm with you on single leg guides and have them on all my specialist rods, yet to break one.]

Better in the hand Andrew, i hold the rod a lot so thats important to me, factory builds have loads of three leg rings on them and to me they just felt dull for want of a better word. I would however add the extra ring back in to make 9 in total if i was doing it again, just to get the rings at the tip a little closer to each other as mentioned earlier and is a good point. Single legs every time for me, apart from lightness a very good rod builder once told me that if you put enough pressure on a single leg to bend it significantly then a three leg in the same situation would probably not bend and subsequently damage the blank !

 

[Simon Lush]

I have a very expensive rod with single leg rings Simon, in two seasons I have snapped one (tiny) ring off (Using a poxy quiver instead of my usual rod bag, the exposed line caught on a branch moving between swims, worst bit of kit I ever bought was that quiver). Since then I have bent several more in parrot cage swims, and a lining has come out twice. It may be I am a bit clumsy, but whatever, I can't say small, fine wire single leg rings suit me too well.

Cheers, Dave.

I think you said it somewhere in there Dave

 

[Bob Gill]

Possibly stronger and more robust single leg is the Fuji K series. Shaped and rolled insert frame - fitted plenty - no problems yet.

Centres dropping out?- some types seem to be more prone than others.
Generally you get what you pay for.

 

[Simon Lush]

Possibly stronger and more robust single leg is the Fuji K series. Shaped and rolled insert frame - fitted plenty - no problems yet.

Centres dropping out?- some types seem to be more prone than others.
Generally you get what you pay for.

Very nice Question Bob, is there any way nowadays of doing a matt/satin varnish on whippings ? ala Terry Eustace, Pete Evans rods of old, looks much nicer on a matt blank imo.

 

[Bob Gill]

Simon, there are a few relatively simple ways but care is needed to get a good result. Wire wool the epoxy finish - 00 or 0000 grade should be suitable. However, if the epoxy over the whipping thread is thin then there is a danger of breaking through and ending up with fuzzies. Be careful not to take the guide frame coating/finish off, use masking tape.
Same goes for pumice powder.
Single legs are easier than doubles to do.
Paint the whipping with a matt or satin matt spirit based finish - available at most craft/model shops.
There are others, but probably require a bit more involvement.
Hope this helps,
Bob

 

[Simon Lush]

Simon, there are a few relatively simple ways but care is needed to get a good result. Wire wool the epoxy finish - 00 or 0000 grade should be suitable. However, if the epoxy over the whipping thread is thin then there is a danger of breaking through and ending up with fuzzies. Be careful not to take the guide frame coating/finish off, use masking tape.
Same goes for pumice powder.
Single legs are easier than doubles to do.
Paint the whipping with a matt or satin matt spirit based finish - available at most craft/model shops.
There are others, but probably require a bit more involvement.
Hope this helps,
Bob

Thanks for that Bob, is there not a satin finish epoxy then ? thinking on a re-build.

 

[Bob Gill]

Simon - yes there are some matt finishes out there. You have a PM.

 

[Steve Ashworth]

How many rod rings etc

Hi guys,
After years of Barbel fishing on the Trent and using Daiwa Infinity 1.75lb test curve rods I changed my opinion on rods and specieces etc.
I have found that a lower test curve Carp rod makes a better Barbel rod than the purpose built Barbel rods that they build today.
One of the main reasons I say this is when fishing with lots of water on the river and the debri and weed coming down, you don't have the same problem with weed clogging in the eyes as you do with the smaller Barbel rod type eyes they tend to use on purpose built barbel rods.
Also pound for pound Barbel are harder fighting fish than Carp so it makes total sense to have the stronger test curve for the harder fighter I feel.
I have never ever lost a Barbel since using this theory.
I use the Greys Aircurve Carp rods with Cork handles to retain some of the tradition and use test curves of 3lb. These are an absolulty georgous rod for Barbeling on the Trent or such type rivers.
The eyes start from 16 mil tip ring back to a 50mil butt ring.
These rods have a lovely action for the river but with added strength for chucking big leads or feeders to the far side with no problems what so ever.
And like Ive said I've never lost a fish through the rods fault.
Playing fish with the clutch is also what I always do and believe this gives you the smoothest option and far less chance of loosing fish than back winding.
I'm also one that thinks you don't need the tip of the rod painted white, yellow, green or orange why they do this is totally behond ME I can see my tips in any light with no paint on what so ever.
Also I'm one of the new breed who uses rods with no quiver type tip on and also can't see the sense in quiver type tips Why?
These are just my personal opinions and have found them very successful during my years Barbeling

 

[Robert Linwood]

I've had customs rods built for me by bob Gill / Ian tucker / mark tunley and there 3 of the best rod builders out there in my opinion I've also had single leg / double leg & triple leg guides fitted its horses for courses it's what you like the feel of k-series sic guides are single and they are as strong as any guides I've come across. I've also got a Harrison 10ft stalker with double leg guides and the action on that is spot on. My father also as the same rod but with single leg guides and he swears by it so all in all it's what the individual person likes in a rod.