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Hook pulls and Flipping hooks

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Joe Fletcher

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From time to time we have all hooked a fish , Only for the hook to pull for what ever reason and been left scratching our heads wondering why .
I would be curious to know peoples views and opionions on the use of shrink tube .
The theory being when the bait is picked up by a fish . The hook turns and the fish is firmly hooked when you strike
 
No problem with the theory but I don't bother when fishing for barbel as I don't usually use limp mono or very limp braid hooklinks. You can get the same effect using the eyed hooks, knotless knots and, most importantly, relatively stiff flurocarbon (the line must pass through the front of the eye).
 
Hi Joe
I have rigged up a couple of hook lengths this season for the first time with rig tube and have caught with the adaption. But thinking about it I have had two lost fish with hook pulls without the shrink tube. Whether this is anything conclusive I don't know but it seems that I should try it more. I guess the 'hinge' effect should work, and give a firmer hook hold too.
 
I agree with Chris, using fluro you get the same affect. Can't remember the last time I had a hook pull.
 
Chris Jones said:
No problem with the theory but I don't bother when fishing for barbel as I don't usually use limp mono or very limp braid hooklinks. You can get the same effect using the eyed hooks, knotless knots and, most importantly, relatively stiff flurocarbon (the line must pass through the front of the eye).
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Chris can I ask why and what difference its makes passing the line through the front of the eye as a opposed to passing the line through the back ?

When the norm seems to be passing the line through the back of the eye

And weather or not you use a straight eyed hook or one with a downturned eye

Any help would be appreciated
 
Joe, if using a fluoro hook link, if you use an in-turned eye hook and pass the line through from the back of the eye, the angle produced is to acute. Even with straight eyed hook patterns, if the fluoro line is especially wirey, again the hook will almost double back on its self. Out-turned eyes are best.

Regards your original question:
Personally I never use shrink tubing and really fail to see the need or benefit of it. If I've had a few dropped fish, I'd always first look at how well positioned the hook was in the mouths of the fish that were successfully landed and work from there; are your hooks sharp, what hair length, how well are the fish feeding....etc..... the list is endless.

But before I'd change anything drastic, I would certainly think about the basics first.

How many hook pulls are you talking about and over what period of time?
 
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Joe Fletcher said:
Chris can I ask why and what difference its makes passing the line through the front of the eye as a opposed to passing the line through the back ?

When the norm seems to be passing the line through the back of the eye

And weather or not you use a straight eyed hook or one with a downturned eye

Any help would be appreciated
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To achieve the same angled hook to line as you see with carp rigs which utilise shaped rig tube to get the same effect. I use a straight eyed pattern hook. I certainly wouldn't do the same with a hook with a in turned eye, the angle created would be excessive. You wouldn't get the same effect using hook with an out turned eye.
 
Chris Jones said:
To achieve the same angled hook to line as you see with carp rigs which utilise shaped rig tube to get the same effect. I use a straight eyed pattern hook. I certainly wouldn't do the same with a hook with a in turned eye, the angle created would be excessive. You wouldn't get the same effect using hook with an out turned eye.
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Hi Chris,

I hope you don't mind if I poke my nose in mate, but I think there may be some confusion here....either because of the wording in your original post, or because of a differing of opinions over what is considered to be the front or back of a hook. To achieve the angle carp anglers do with their shrink tube rigs (in which the tubing is bent down in the same direction and approximate angle as an in turned eye on a hook would be) then the fluoro line would have to be passed through from what I would consider the back of the eye.

IN your original post you said, and I quote "The line must pass through the front of the eye". Now....I THINK you meant exactly the same thing by that....but I also THINK Joe read it as passing the line through FROM the front....hence the confusion. No doubt if I am wrong, the pair of you will tell me to pees orf and mind my own business :D:D:D

Cheers, Dave.
 
It has got to be easier just to post a picture.;)
 

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good question, well all the carp lads, like using the pop bollie with a straight hook , they use the notless knot, and put the last lot of line throught the front to off set the hook,
in which turns out to be a better hook hold in bottom lips, but even then they have hook pulls, ??????
 
Cheers guys for the input to my question .
It's only when I had a hook pull from a decent fish a few weeks ago .
That I decided to look in to the problem .
Since the start of the season I have been useing fluorocarbon for my hook link and my catch rate seems to have improved and have only suffered once with a hook pull .
If I am honest up till now I never knew the reasons for using either a straight eye , inward or a outward eye and the difference it can make and I can now say I am a little more wiser
Once again Guys thanks
 
Eddie, no matter how good your rig is you'll always get mishaps because despite what some may think and say, the mechanics of a fishes gob ain't a constant and/or an exact science, so all the physics involved in your rig can't always work.






Besides it'd be boring if everything always went to plan, IMO.
 
I always use shring tube on my hooks, for me it aids flipping the hook. Also the hook should also represent the bait size, I prefer a long hair as the hooking is generaal in the scissors or bottom lip. Then agan it also depends how fish are feeding too, ina frenzy fish will snatch the bait as opposed to eating normally. we could go on and on here, but interesting reading.
 
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