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Hard long very confusing weekend !!!!

Wayne Glossop

Wayne Glossop

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Hi all just got back from a 48 hour session on the tidal Trent having blanked massively to land a barbel I went to a place where there's not that's hard going but I managed to hook 4 barbel all which the hook pulled out or broke 10lb braid I can understand the braid breaking which is the most annoying thing to be honest as braid is supposed to be the one Is that the case??? As goes for the hook pulling out is a mystery I was playing a double figure barbel using the bolt rig in which the lead freed it's self during the fight I got it in to the edge and the hook pulled out does anybody have any idea as to why this may be? What hooks are people using? How long are the hairs?

Thanks
 
I have been using inch long hairs this term Wayne, no probs. 10lb braid to me is a little light for me though.
 
S**t happens. Like Jon said, up your hook length and buy some of the coated stuff for a little extra protection.
Come and fish the southern rivers and you'll get used to the blanking :p;).
Wayne, I think you win the prize for the longest sentence.... I nearly passed out reading it :D
 
a more forgiving rod under the tip,perhaps yours is too beefy and you are giving the fish too much stick at the net.:rolleyes:
or are you trying to net the fish too early in your excitement....
 
Yeah I agree 10lb braid is too light but to snap it like I'm fishing with a 1.1 bottom is abit of a shock. What hooks are people using out there? Iv had to change mine this weekend because the tackle shop didn't have the ones I normally use (Korda wide gape x size 4 6 and 8) I ended up with esp big raptor t size 5 and 6)

As goes for a prize I should have one for moat time spent on the bank aswel haha.

The rods are Great for the job in hand was using a 1.75lb and a 2 3/4 as goes for bullying the fish I let the fish tire out before I even think about netting it and if the fish want to run i always have the clutch set for that mate. Just a real sickener loosing all 4 runs
 
Wayne, i've had a few problems with hooks this season. I'm currently using the ones sponsoring this site. Seem to stay sharp and are a good strong hook. I suppose it's what you are confident in using.
Paul
 
what braid was it Wayne? Some braids have have multi types of different braids woven in, personally I steer clear from these, as I believe they are not as hard wearing as a one type only of a braided yarn. If you know what I mean. The Hooks I use now are Teflon rapiers
 
You could try slackening off your clutch when the fish is ready to be netted, there really is no stretch in braid and a fish shaking its head and diving down on a tight line is asking for trouble with 10lb in my opinion.
Up the breaking strain of the braid or use mono.
Hook pattern I doubt is the problem but were your hooks sharp?
 
Hi Wayne,

how many fish snapped you? and how many hook pulls did you have?

A number of things can cause hook pulls;
1) hook opening out
2) hook point turned over
3) too much whipping of a knotless knot down the hook shank
4) a long hair wrapping itself around the hook shank
5) hooking a "virgin" barbel in the curtain
6) foul hooking the barbel

any help?

regards,
Tim
 
I agree with Tom, a fish shaking it's head or making a last second lunge on braid is more likely to cause a hook pull than on mono when it's under the rod tip. 10 braid should not snap like cotton though unless it's been damaged during the fight. A snag may damage braid of higher strength too so in your position Wayne I would try mono
 
what braid was it Wayne? Some braids have have multi types of different braids woven in, personally I steer clear from these, as I believe they are not as hard wearing as a one type only of a braided yarn. If you know what I mean. The Hooks I use now are Teflon rapiers

Iv been using esp sink link with big t raptor hooks and drennan barbel specialist both are Teflon micro barb and strong, I normally use Korda wide gape x but tackle shop had sold out which says alot for the hooks in my opinion mate.
 
I think one of the problems could be too much whipping of the hair I did notice I was wrapping it a few times more than usual. I tend to put my boilies, pellets on the hair first then do the knotless knot. I might go back to Preston powerline as Iv had success on other rivers and it has got alot of stretch in it really.

How long should my hair be from my hook? I think it may be a case of slackening of my clutch and setting it very light almost so when I strike the line will give a little bit then adjust accordingly.

When using a knotless knot do people go back through towards the point of the hook?

Regards
 
Hi Wayne,
Regarding your knotless knot question,I just tie my hair loop,thread the hooklink through the back of the hook eye.Set the length of hair,whip up the shank the required amount,making sure you start your whipping turns on the forged side of the eye,not the side where the eye is bent round to,(Korum hooks have forged eyes) and pass the tag end through the back of the hook eye again.If using larger hooks,I sometimes whip a couple of turns over the initial whipping before passing the tag end through the back of the eye.A good hook alternative to the wide gape X's,are Drennan Boilie Hooks,but for some reason shops don't stock them much but can always order them in.I suppose that is a case of,there's only so much stock a shop can carry.
Hope this helps.
Tight lines.
Pete.
 
I reckon we all suffer the inexplicable hook pulls occasionally,over the years I have tried numerous hooks,I have found that in general a curved shank hook is the pattern that reduces the amount of hook pulls.

A lot of barbel anglers favour the wide gape,short shank type hooks and I have had some good fish on this type,however I am now using Muggas,Korda Kurv or Korum S5's and the amount of hook pulls has reduced significantly.

As for the braid problem I would be inclined to use 12lb minimum and also consider using a coated braid if fishing snaggy swims.
 
As above been using Gardner Mugga's and Korda kurv shanks this season great hook hold but find they blunt very easy on the Tidal Trent due to having a straight hook point.Just invested in some ESP Raptor D-7's look a good strong hook with a curved point hopefully won't blunt as easily.
 
> ESP Raptor D-7's look a good strong hook with a curved point hopefully won't blunt as easily

Sorry to say this, but I find ESP hooks notorious for the hookpoint going blunt or turning over if a fish so much as farts in the general direction.

Fox SSBP is a much sturdier pattern IMO
 
Thanks for all the help everyone I'm curious as to how many times people whip round when making the knotless knot? I normally put the bait on and stop before whipping it round and try to keep the distance from the bait to the bottom of the hook about 5mm (rough estimate). When fishing the tidal trent should I be using curv shank or wide gape x hooks?
Thanks
 
Hi Wayne,
When I mentioned ,set the length of the hair,that's how I'd do it with the proposed bait on the hair.If you have several identical rigs to tie up,using one of the cheap hair gauges is a quick aid to hair rig tying,or one of the ten quid "Rigmaster" tools.I know that when things start to go wrong all of a sudden,one tends to doubt everything that's been reliable in the past.Tying your hook KD style would also have the affect of a more aggressive rig.
Best of luck.
Pete.
 
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