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Fallow Rivers?

Hi men ,

Spoke to someone in a local club about our local Bedfordshire Ouse . Fallow ?, they will be lucky to attract river members !! , with many of the barbel anglers looking to travel a bit more :rolleyes:.

Hatter
 
Hi men ,

Spoke to someone in a local club about our local Bedfordshire Ouse . Fallow ?, they will be lucky to attract river members !! , with many of the barbel anglers looking to travel a bit more :rolleyes:.

Hatter

Rather supports my theory perhaps? To me it seems crazy travelling many miles to seek out Barbel when there are perfeclty adequate Rivers near to most that with a bit of sensible management would provide good sport.
 
Completly unworkable in my opinion, for all of the reasons stated in previous posts, clubs that control these popular stretches, would suffer financially, some very severly, whilst other clubs and commercials would benefit at their expense.
The club i belong to would fall into that catergory, if we shut our most popular, and pressured stretch, i wouldn't like to calculate the resulting loss of membership, and income, but it would be severe, and i'm pretty sure there wouldn't be any compensation forthcoming.The resulting many anglers looking for other places to fish would increase the pressure on other venues where there wasn't any previously, places where anglers go for peace and quiet, not just to catch fish would suddenly find they can't get swims, creating potential confrontational situations.
I could go on all day thinking of bad reasons, but struggle to think of one good one.

Ian.
Well you have to start planning ahead, but I suppose Coarse Angling Clubs have never been forward thinking regarding their actions on the quality of sport on offer to the members, we just blindly go on hoping that next season will be better, or perhaps blame the Otter, Mink or any scapegoat as to the decline.

I am not a wealthy man but I would be prepared to pay more for my fishing if I thought my local club invested more into protecting or improving the club waters.

I cant understand why anyone should think such management would be ''completly unworkable'' when we have the example of the WUF who limit rods (three in a 1.5 mile stretch) on the Wye and the quality of sport is second to none. Sure it's not cheap ay £20 per day but is a shining example of intelligent fishery management
 
In our grandparents' and great-grandparents' day, Sunday School teachers warned them of the "Primrose path of dalliance" (basically "go down that cheery, fun-loving one - booze, bodies and to hell with tomorrow - and you'll come a cropper.

Now, going on what Neil wrote above (and with the very best on intentions - better fishing ... ah, but for just how many...?), I fear we could be faced with the Golden Path to Backdoor Privatization and Syndication", or, certainly a situation in which Some Anglers are More Equal / Deserving of Sport Than Others). Fine, this "set aside", in theory, but reality will be very different: it only takes the usual suspect few present in every era to say to themselves: "Right, there's money in this for us".

This from someone who knew and often fished around and about (but rarely actually with) people who didn't bat an eyelid at paying several thousand pounds for a season's (latterly often a week's) fishing, people who cherrypicked waters and payed heavily to play, but were, really, only here today - gone tomorrow types whose only only answer to fix a problem (a problem that they in their blinkered, disconnected state from the real world, real people and real Angling had often unwittingly created) was to chuck money at it then leave somebody else to do the fixing (or, more often, to just move on to somewhere new where the same problem had yet to happen).

No. If coarse-fishing clubs were to go down this route, they might as well go the way that many game-fishing clubs, socs and orgs went over a century ago: high fees, tiny memberships, "dead men's shoes" / deterrent interminable waiting lists, exclusivity, exclusion and an at least not publicly uttered prejudice about many matters, both fishy and non-fishy.

If you want privacy and super-dooper fishing in similarly minded company, then dig deep and buy yourself a little piece of paradise, but don't expect coarse clubs to collude not only in their own demise but also that of coarse angling as a still readily accessible pastime.
 
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Hi men,

Neil , read the Ouse posts , not fishing it will not improve the fishing. I spoke to a very good barbel angler about it last week, stocks are at desperate levels .

Hatter
 
Rather supports my theory perhaps? To me it seems crazy travelling many miles to seek out Barbel when there are perfeclty adequate Rivers near to most that with a bit of sensible management would provide good sport.

I initially opted to say nowt on this thread but sorry Neil, while I sympathise with your declining standards of sport.
You need to fully establish and understand the reasons for this and not just grasp at any/every passing bandwagon.

The Teme (above Powick weir) is a relatively newly established population of barbel and in a seemingly unchallenged environment.
So a balance has yet to be struck, food availability etc

By introducing a prey species with a high individual biomass, this will effect the prey - predator relationship within an ecosystem; so again this goes back to a balance needing to be re-established.

As for traveling long distances to fish waters in other areas, as I have pointed out before, many (myself included) do so because our local waters don't have healthy numbers of barbel.

As for your "sensible management"
Great idea but who is going to manage our rivers in this "sensible" manner?
In my locality:
Cherwell barely flows due to unquantified and fully legitimate abstraction by British Waterways, then there is the 100% subscribed abstraction licences before BW want there share.... Work it out.....

Windrush in summer, well here's alittle story (true) to put its state into perspective.
Last summer while carp fishing on a pit that runs parallel to the river, I was woken up at 2.00 am, not by my bite alarms but by a flock of bloody sheep.
They'd crossed the river, not by wading across, as the riffle which is 1ft deep today was not even deep enough for me to get wet feet when returning 'mint sauce' and her mates to there side of the gully, despite me only wearing trainers.

Thames, dumping ground for probably a third of Englands sewage and has its flow so regulated, you can fish a swim one day and half an ounce will hold bottom, next day 4oz is needed, with the river only rising 6", though most often its the first scenario.
Upper Thames is more your manor than mine, so you can tell me about the problems up there, though I suspect Cotswold water park may have an impact there.


So if you want us outsiders to leave your rivers alone, here's a suggestion, help improve ours...
 
I am lucky enough to be able to afford membership to three angling clubs which cost me less than a £1.00 a week for each of those clubs . Having to pay £20 for a day ticket for the W&Usk Foundation is totally out of the question for me . Its all very well paying £20 for a days fishing and taking other things in to consideration petrol ,bait etc etc .It would be a expensive days fishing and how many times a season would the average person be able to go and enjoy his past time .


One question which would arise with the introduction of sections of a river being left fallow and I assume we are talking about Barbel . What would happen to other fish .Roach,Chub,Pike,Bream,Carp would people still be able to fish for them and how would you police such a rule .
 
I think if we want good sport we are going to have to pay for it, I have miles of the middle Severn on my doorstep but still enjoy a bit of Trent bashing.
The thing is this little indulgence costs me on average £50 in fuel every trip, Is it worth it? Well I think it is, I have no idea how much a season ticket to a decent football team is these days and I don't have much of a clue about the price of membership of a golf club but I bet both of them are allot more than my fishing costs me.
 
There can't be many fisheries that see more anglers than the Royalty, and that stretch of the Avon regularly produces multiple catches, and a great number of doubles month in month out during the season. Yet my experience of other stretches such as the Severals is of very poor catch returns, and decreasing numbers of people on the banks.

What is it that makes the Royalty so special? Why does it continually produce the goods when other fisheries are a shaddow of what they used to be.
 
Well you have to start planning ahead, but I suppose Coarse Angling Clubs have never been forward thinking regarding their actions on the quality of sport on offer to the members, we just blindly go on hoping that next season will be better, or perhaps blame the Otter, Mink or any scapegoat as to the decline.

I am not a wealthy man but I would be prepared to pay more for my fishing if I thought my local club invested more into protecting or improving the club waters.

I cant understand why anyone should think such management would be ''completly unworkable'' when we have the example of the WUF who limit rods (three in a 1.5 mile stretch) on the Wye and the quality of sport is second to none. Sure it's not cheap ay £20 per day but is a shining example of intelligent fishery management

Plan ahead for what Neil ?, the certain financial shortfall in a clubs accounts ?
Members are are what keep clubs alive, enables them to function, maintain their fisheries, and pay their rents.
Pressured fisheries don't stay pressured for long if the fishing drops off, a bit like prey and predator these things find their balance, One venue on the club ticket i belong to has a stretch of water that has been fairly pressured for as long as i can remember, the fish keep coming and so do the anglers, many fish that venue soley even though the club has 4 other stretches of river on offer, would they pay for a membership if we closed it ? And for what ? The fish are there in numbers, healthy and so is the river, if the pressure was damaging the river, and the fish, and the fishing the anglers would pull off, and so reduce the pressure, - the balance i was talking about, plus i'm convinced that the bait going in holds the fish in numbers, and closing the venue would see many of them move elswhere i'm certain of that, so in my opinion would not in anyway improve the fishing.
Asking a club to close a very popular venue, is asking them to put a financial gun to their head, and for a few clubs the damage may take years to recover from, and for some might even see their demise.
I can appreciate your sentiments Neil, but i can't for the life of me see how it would benefit a club, - maybe the next club or syndicate that takes over once they are gone !
As i said before completly unworkable, and would severly damage a club that attempted it, plan or no plan.

Ian.
 
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