Graham Billingham
Senior Member
Want to make a paste up from trout pellets (Elipse). read it somewhere to use water instead of eggs because the egg mix goes off if it's being kept a long time. Any suggestions.
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egg or water pastes
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Chris Ponsford
Senior Member
Eggs are fine ,but are not going to give you a shelf life bait,dried eggs may though.
Just mix enough for your session and throw any in at end or feed the ducks.
You might find the paste is too firm and does not leak off much in cold weather.
Hence why Carp Anglers use more solulable materials in winter on any pastes.
A fresh paste is definately superior ,as are fresh boilies.
I take the view if it is a one bite day ,then I want the very best bait I can use.
Just mix enough for your session and throw any in at end or feed the ducks.
You might find the paste is too firm and does not leak off much in cold weather.
Hence why Carp Anglers use more solulable materials in winter on any pastes.
A fresh paste is definately superior ,as are fresh boilies.
I take the view if it is a one bite day ,then I want the very best bait I can use.
Hi men ,
Graham , eggs are fine , mix the amount you want , and chuck the rest in a freezer , but to be honest its so cheap I would make a fresh batch every time . The gritty texture of ground pellets means eggs are the best option anyway . You could add a dolop of something water soluble if you want , Marmite , or barbel pro ( water soluble fish protine ) available from lots of bait companys . A spoonfull of either mixed into the eggs would improve the finished bait mate . See you on the bank,
Hatter
Graham , eggs are fine , mix the amount you want , and chuck the rest in a freezer , but to be honest its so cheap I would make a fresh batch every time . The gritty texture of ground pellets means eggs are the best option anyway . You could add a dolop of something water soluble if you want , Marmite , or barbel pro ( water soluble fish protine ) available from lots of bait companys . A spoonfull of either mixed into the eggs would improve the finished bait mate . See you on the bank,
Hatter
Use both 
I used to make up a 1 egg batch for hookbait and the equivalent of 3 eggs out of water. The water based paste has a far faster breakdown rate.
Use 40ml of water per egg and about half of the attractors you use in the hookbait.
I used to make up a 1 egg batch for hookbait and the equivalent of 3 eggs out of water. The water based paste has a far faster breakdown rate.
Use 40ml of water per egg and about half of the attractors you use in the hookbait.
Andrew Boyne
Senior Member
Great advice chaps. I'm with Andy on this one and use both. If i'm using the paste as hookbait in it's own right i'll use egg as it stays on and lasts much better. If i'm using the paste as a wrap on a pellet or boilie where i want it to break down i'll use a water based paste, as Andy has mentioned they break down much faster.
In cold water conditions i've found pastes made from one of the low temperature fishmeals or flavour carrier type base mixes more effective than standard trout pellet powder which has a very high oil content.
In cold water conditions i've found pastes made from one of the low temperature fishmeals or flavour carrier type base mixes more effective than standard trout pellet powder which has a very high oil content.
Graham Billingham
Senior Member
Cheers Lads,
Although iv'e fished for 50 years iv'e never mest about with pastes.You've given me something to work on now. As Andrew suggested i was thinking of useing it to wrap round a pellet hook bait to leak off .
graham
Although iv'e fished for 50 years iv'e never mest about with pastes.You've given me something to work on now. As Andrew suggested i was thinking of useing it to wrap round a pellet hook bait to leak off .
graham
Simon Lush
Senior Member
Graham, you could use Whole Egg powder or Wheat Gluten combined with a bit of semolina as binding agents, that way you should (with a bit of experimentation) be able to make a very good paste which dissolves very slowly by mixing only with water, adding a bit of pre digested fish meal or similar is well worth while and will add greatly to the attraction.
Lee Fletcher
Senior Member
Very good bait.
Dear All,
I use paste in their various forms and types for almost all of my fishing now, save for bread, steak, shrimps, prawns, tares, corn, maggots and casters which I use for float fishing. The pellet type paste I make is basically pellets put through a bait pump to soften them up which are then mashed (an old food blender is very good) and to the resulting mush I add enough plain flour to stiffen to the consistency of plastercine. Too hard and the hook will be restricted on the strike and too soft means attention from small fish will limited its break down time considerably.
At this time of the year don't forget the effectiveness of a good cheese paste. The one I make is an old favorite found in many specialist angling books. Take some ready made short crust pastry (found in super markets usually pre rolled) lay it flat and grate a good palm full of strong cheddar cheese in the middle. To that crumble in some Danish Blue cheese about a third of the amount of the cheddar. Now fold the pastry over the cheese and pop in a mixing bowl. Simply kneed the pastry and cheese together until it’s mixed to the same consistency of plastercine. A paste that is too soft is useless and one too hard restricts the setting of the hook on the strike.
Another two brilliant types are the "hemp" paste and the "honey" paste. For the hemp one use the ready made pastry as before and add roasted crushed hemp in the middle. Trial and error here as to how much hemp to add but a couple of cup full’s is about right. Kneed it all well in and if the resulting paste is a bit stiff add a drizzle of hemp oil that can be got from any health food store. This paste can be fished very effectively over a bed of hemp whilst ledgering or smaller AAA or BB sized pieces can be float fished on the hook whilst feeding hemp using the trotting method. Honey paste is made by again using the ready made short crust pastry and by adding "set honey" then kneading in. If you have added too much honey and the resulting paste comes out a bit soft just add corn flour until you obtain the right consistency. Honey paste is brilliant for carp, roach and bream but chub and barbel both wolf it down as well!!!
Regarding the use of paste on the smaller river the angler needs to be aware that a "balanced method" is crucial to the set up. And by "balanced" I mean the lightest amount of weight added to the line, or none at all, so the fish feels hardly and resistance when picking up the bait. Paste works especially well here because it’s quite a heavy bait so a meat ball sized hook bait will hold bottom very well on its own in normal conditions. And when added weight is required I rarely go over two number 3ssg pinched on the mainline. I use a size 4 hook and add a two ounce quiver tip to my rod in normal conditions. Bites vary but even the slightest nibble is registered either by touch or on the quiver tip. Normally the bites come in the form of good pulls or a complete collapse in the line as the bait is picked up.
The great thing about paste baits is most of the ingredients are very easy to buy and remain fairly cheap. They take minutes to make up and are "extremely" effective.
Regards,
Lee.
Dear All,
I use paste in their various forms and types for almost all of my fishing now, save for bread, steak, shrimps, prawns, tares, corn, maggots and casters which I use for float fishing. The pellet type paste I make is basically pellets put through a bait pump to soften them up which are then mashed (an old food blender is very good) and to the resulting mush I add enough plain flour to stiffen to the consistency of plastercine. Too hard and the hook will be restricted on the strike and too soft means attention from small fish will limited its break down time considerably.
At this time of the year don't forget the effectiveness of a good cheese paste. The one I make is an old favorite found in many specialist angling books. Take some ready made short crust pastry (found in super markets usually pre rolled) lay it flat and grate a good palm full of strong cheddar cheese in the middle. To that crumble in some Danish Blue cheese about a third of the amount of the cheddar. Now fold the pastry over the cheese and pop in a mixing bowl. Simply kneed the pastry and cheese together until it’s mixed to the same consistency of plastercine. A paste that is too soft is useless and one too hard restricts the setting of the hook on the strike.
Another two brilliant types are the "hemp" paste and the "honey" paste. For the hemp one use the ready made pastry as before and add roasted crushed hemp in the middle. Trial and error here as to how much hemp to add but a couple of cup full’s is about right. Kneed it all well in and if the resulting paste is a bit stiff add a drizzle of hemp oil that can be got from any health food store. This paste can be fished very effectively over a bed of hemp whilst ledgering or smaller AAA or BB sized pieces can be float fished on the hook whilst feeding hemp using the trotting method. Honey paste is made by again using the ready made short crust pastry and by adding "set honey" then kneading in. If you have added too much honey and the resulting paste comes out a bit soft just add corn flour until you obtain the right consistency. Honey paste is brilliant for carp, roach and bream but chub and barbel both wolf it down as well!!!
Regarding the use of paste on the smaller river the angler needs to be aware that a "balanced method" is crucial to the set up. And by "balanced" I mean the lightest amount of weight added to the line, or none at all, so the fish feels hardly and resistance when picking up the bait. Paste works especially well here because it’s quite a heavy bait so a meat ball sized hook bait will hold bottom very well on its own in normal conditions. And when added weight is required I rarely go over two number 3ssg pinched on the mainline. I use a size 4 hook and add a two ounce quiver tip to my rod in normal conditions. Bites vary but even the slightest nibble is registered either by touch or on the quiver tip. Normally the bites come in the form of good pulls or a complete collapse in the line as the bait is picked up.
The great thing about paste baits is most of the ingredients are very easy to buy and remain fairly cheap. They take minutes to make up and are "extremely" effective.
Regards,
Lee.
Keith Truscott
Active Member
Nice to see you haven't lost your touch Lee.
good reply and happy new year.
Keith
good reply and happy new year.
Keith
Conrad Farlow
Senior Member
Lee thanks very much for taking the time to share that info. I'm looking forward to trying your ideas out once I can get out of the front door.
Conrad
Conrad
David Maddison
Senior Member
Just got some of that Source paste, and i cant wait to get out there and try it.
Straight from the tub it's a bit too soft and sticky, but i have taken some out and stiffened it up with the same groundbait and it's now stiff enough too wrap around a boilie. I think it might be the end of the month before i get to use it!
Straight from the tub it's a bit too soft and sticky, but i have taken some out and stiffened it up with the same groundbait and it's now stiff enough too wrap around a boilie. I think it might be the end of the month before i get to use it!
Stuart Brookes
Senior Member
Graham, I bought some of the ready ground Elips pellets from Hinders. I mix one egg with enough powder to make a stiffish paste and add a glug of Thai fish Sauce, readily available in most supermarkets. Generally fish it wrapped round an Elips pellet. Only had one barbel in 2009 which was on this mix and a new PB chub of 5lb 5oz off the Swale using the same bait. After you have finished mixing the paste roll it into golf ball size, this will do a trip and the rest can go in the freezer. I tend to find I get three balls this size from a one egg mix, after mixing leave it in the fridge for a few hours and then check the consistency to make sure it is as you want it.