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EA doing their job

Wayne Glossop

Wayne Glossop

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It was nice to hear the EA are doing their job I was speaking to a few lads at the weekend one of which didn't have a license until a few week ago when the EA caught him without one. In my opinion it's like driving without any insurance why should people get away with it.
 
I have sat in on the end of a case in the local Magistrates Court for rod licence evasion. The fine was £70 and the costs £60. All were tried in their absence. I don't think £130 is enough to discourage people from not having a licence. Especially as the licence checking process is quite patchy.

I have been checked at Chew Valley in the pike fishing trials a 2 years ago, and a very long time ago on the river.

Kris
 
I have been checked three times this season so far, once on my Club's carp lake and twice on different river stretches.

Have been checked at least once every season for the last 4 or 5 years, never used to get checked prior to that.....
 
Licensed to kill!

David Hall said:
yes, read it,
not sure on where they are going on eels.:eek:
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A quick glance...More money for the EA to allow and at the expense of the murdering of SAC listed protected species and CITES red listed and protected engangered eels. Absolute W***ers!
 
Ray Walton said:
A quick glance...More money for the EA to allow and at the expense of the murdering of SAC listed protected species and CITES red listed and protected engangered eels. Absolute W***ers!
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that's what i thought but you can put it better...:D
 
Ray Walton said:
A quick glance...More money for the EA to allow and at the expense of the murdering of SAC listed protected species and CITES red listed and protected engangered eels. Absolute W***ers!
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Maybe give it a little more than a quick glance. The proposal is to charge those seeking licences to trap eels and other species including the costs of the assessments the EA are required to make, rather than using either fisheries money or general taxpayers money as the case is at present. I would have thought this was something any sensible angler would want to support.

The issue of whether such trapping should be allowed at all is not part of this consultation, it was consuted on last year and (unfortunatly in my opinion) by far the largest number of responses were to continue to allow the trapping of Elver and Eel using fyke nets and traps.
 
Issuing a license to kill SAC and Endangered species is...Wrong!
There is little difference in poaching without paying the EA, and legally fishing and killing the very same SAC protected and endangered species by paying a fee to the EA for the legal privilege. They are both killing the same!
Sorry, but the EA are not protecting what they should, only their financial income and interests.
 
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It may well be wrong Ray and hopefully you expressed that view when given the chance last year; however it is the law and the EA are required to issue licenses as long as the legal conditions are met. Presently the cost of assessing if these conditions are met is funded by the taxpayer and angling license payer. The EA proposes that this cost should be met by those seeking the license. This will not happen unless the consultation receives responses that support this proposal as the netsmen will all respond saying how unfair this is, so it would be a good idea to respond supporting the proposal.

Posting here may be good fun, but the government pays absolutely no attention to what is posted here. It does pay attention to these consultations. The consultation of Eel and Elver netting last year resulted in most responses supporting the continuation of this practise for commercial reasons. Those who opposed it were in a small minority. Perhaps actually responding might be more helpful.
 
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I did respond for your interest!
It just shows where their priority lies and that commercialism superceeds conservation issues i'm afraid.
 
By the way, you can respond on the site once registered, doesn't take any time at all. I just make basic points and leave fuller responses with all the science etc. to organisations such as the SATA and the AT. I gave this response to every question.
Those requesting a license should pay all costs attached to this. The angling license payers money should not be used, neither should general taxation. The costs proposed are too low in most cases to actually meet the full costs of issuing the licenses and should be higher
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Carry on Regardless --Pay and Go!

Nice One Pete...I am sure your response will do a lot of good in helping the conservation of protected and endangered species.
 
One of the reasons that I posted the link was to highlight the Eel netting - I suggest that you direct your comments to the response form so that the issue is highlighted in case they want to "forget" it,
 
Ray Walton said:
Nice One Pete...I am sure your response will do a lot of good in helping the conservation of protected and endangered species.
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If you want to do something practical to protect this species Ray, the SRT is always looking for volunteers to do fly life monitoring on our rivers as well as people to work in local schools where the issue of Eels is of major interest to many of the kids.

The SRT also needs cash to continue the process of building fish/eel passes on some of the rivers in the catchment, particularly the Rea.

I would also encourage individuals to back up the Angling Trust and the Salmon and Trout Association in making objects to the building of those hydro schemes that will have a direct impact on Eel migration.
Details of these initiatives are on the SRT website.

As far as stopping the commercial netting of Elvers, I would respectfully suggest that it would be best raised with local MP's rather than the EA as it is the minister and parliament that have allowed the continuation of the practise, the EA are only involved in so far as they are required to authorise it. The EA cannot change the law on this only enforce it.

You can also take the practical step of objecting to the sale of Elvers in any restaurants here in the UK (and also the sale of Scottish farmed salmon whilst you are at it another practise that is destroying a wild species for commercial gain). At present most of the Elvers are exported to the Japanese and Chinese markets where they fetch an absolute fortune.

The Sustainable Eel group, is the body that brings together organisation involved with protecting this species and those involved in exploiting them if you check out its membership you will soon see how it is dominated by the commercial interests and the conservation lobby is in a minority. The assessment of the Elver fishing on the Severn (the largest in the UK) is here. The proposal to build a barrage on the Severn, which hs been rejected once, but is being pushed again by the companies involved with the support of some organisation, would have a huge impact of Eel migration, far greater than the present licensed netting. One of the reasons for the rejection of the barrage is to protect Eel stocks and the commercial Elver netsmen supported the campaign against the barrage, so have been allied with conservation groups on this important matter.

By the way, this is a great book about eels. Having spent a lot of time cursing the things when catching them, this book will convince even the Eels worst enemy (hopefully) of the value of these remarkable creatures.
 
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PM-Quote. “If you want to do something practical to protect this species Ray, the SRT is always looking for volunteers to do fly life monitoring on our rivers”

Pete...Been there and done it for over 25 years, and it is only an ‘exercise’ with little or no influence regarding the findings when submitted to the authorities.

PM-Quote. "The SRT also needs cash to continue the process of building fish/eel passes on some of the rivers in the catchment, particularly the Rea".

Down here Pete, the EA have introduced Eel migration passes into the Hampshire Avon to help the recovery! Very good chaps!
However the very same EA have issued the commercial Eel Trappers a licence to put as many Fyke nets as they want 'directly above' the new eel passes, to trap, kill and sell the very same migrating eels they are saying they are trying to help! So, there is no hope of any recovery. Total W**kers!
'All' Eel Trapping should be banned and outlawed at this critical time whether commercial or for EA scientific purposes! All eels should be allowed to return to the sea and not just 40% of the remaining CITES endangered red listed species.
Just One(1) Eel killed for profit would have had the potential to produce 2-10 ‘million’ offspring, if allowed to return to the sea alive!!
In my opinion the EA are siding with the commercial aspects of things, and the EA conservation of eels propaganda rammed down our throats is nothing more than lip service! Sorry but they are doing the complete opposite to what they preach, I’m afraid.
Collecting or buying elver's from commercial EA licensee’s and putting them upstream to grow on, is for 'commercial interests only ' and not for the conservation of the species in any respects as they do not breed and regenerate the population in rivers!
The same elver's when mature to Yellow and Silvers will still be trapped by the same eel murderers for profit and gain in the same rivers, and killed when trying to migrate back to the Sargasso Sea to breed. So, no future offspring from these!
Sorry, but in my opinion, it is commercial orientated B****cks!
The Sustainable Eel Group are made up of Commercial Eel trappers and those with commercial eel interests, with the ultimate goal of continuing the exploiting the eel populations for commercial gain and profit, whether in decline or not! The National Anguilla Club who were part of the conservation side of thing with an input, have since removed themselves from the organisation when they found out that the continued commercial exploitation of the species was the SEG priority, in so many words.
 
It appears that if it swims it is pretty much fair game and money to be made, if I was to shoot or pick an endangered species I would be in some bother however when it concerns the waterways as long as I have a licence mmmmmmmmmm, these are the same group that suffer from schizophrenia we do this! We do that! Don’t do this! Pay for this you can do that! We can then dredge this and clear that!

Sorry forgot to add, in over 27 years of angling I have never been asked to produce my licence and it is very annoying I have spent this money and never had to prove it.
 
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