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Daiwa Powermesh Avon

Neil Smart

Neil Smart

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Can anyone explain just what is the difference between the more sought after Powermeshes against the 119av Avon? Side by side they apparently seem the same anyone?
 
As far as being sort after is concerned, I've seen little comment beyond distinguishing between the original Powermesh models, the later Powermesh-X and the very recent Powermesh rods.

I hold no interest in the most recent incarnation. I've only a passing interest in the Powermesh-X (though that's no comment on how good they might be, I've never used them). I like the original Powermesh Carp (PMC) and Powermesh Specialist (PMS). I have PMC 2212 (12ft 2.5lb TC Powermesh Carp) carp rods. I also have a pair of PMS 112 (12' 1.25lb TC Powermesh Specialist Avon) Avon rods. There was also an 11ft version of this rod (PMS 111). Daiwa product codes (letters plus numbers) aren't usually entirely meaningless, provided you can decipher them.

You've only given a partial code for the "119AV" Avon. However, I believe that it's probably PMS-XS 119AV. A Powermesh-X Specialist 11'9" Avon. This is from the second Powermesh range, the Powermesh X. It was more expansive than the original Powermesh Specialist range. More options regarding length, TC and quiver/Avon sections.

The easiest way to distinguish between original Powermesh and later Powermesh-X ranges is that the X cross weave extends all the way to the tip section on the originals. The top section of the PMS-X rods has no weave at all. You'll also see that the original Powermeshes have a gloss finish for the entirety of the blank. Only sections of the lower part of the rod are gloss on the Powermesh-X
 
Chris Jones said:
As far as being sort after is concerned, I've seen little comment beyond distinguishing between the original Powermesh models, the later Powermesh-X and the very recent Powermesh rods.

I hold no interest in the most recent incarnation. I've only a passing interest in the Powermesh-X (though that's no comment on how good they might be, I've never used them). I like the original Powermesh Carp (PMC) and Powermesh Specialist (PMS). I have PMC 2212 (12ft 2.5lb TC Powermesh Carp) carp rods. I also have a pair of PMS 112 (12' 1.25lb TC Powermesh Specialist Avon) Avon rods. There was also an 11ft version of this rod (PMS 111). Daiwa product codes (letters plus numbers) aren't usually entirely meaningless, provided you can decipher them.

You've only given a partial code for the "119AV" Avon. However, I believe that it's probably PMS-XS 119AV. A Powermesh-X Specialist 11'9" Avon. This is from the second Powermesh range, the Powermesh X. It was more expansive than the original Powermesh Specialist range. More options regarding length, TC and quiver/Avon sections.

The easiest way to distinguish between original Powermesh and later Powermesh-X ranges is that the X cross weave extends all the way to the tip section on the originals. The top section of the PMS-X rods has no weave at all. You'll also see that the original Powermeshes have a gloss finish for the entirety of the blank. Only sections of the lower part of the rod are gloss on the Powermesh-X
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Cheers Chris I knew I could count on you :) Yep the PMS-XS 119AV is the one I was referencing, I was intruiged as why these later models were not as well regarded. I can't imagine there would be a lot of difference as far as action is concerned. For me the big negative was the screw tip guide with the PMS-XS 119AV.
 
I have the pms xs 119av as well, the only thing I don’t like about it is the stiff tip, I have to touch ledgering when fishing chub roach with it. I guess that’s why it comes with a screw tip ring? But it really is a good rod for barbel and light carp work.

This rod also has a quiver carrier section that you can purchase separately, I have one as well, but the tips are shorter than most quiver tips.
 
The original powermesh specialist rods pms11* are in my opinion one of the nicest “do all” Avon rods in existence. I’ve wanted an 11footer for some time now.

They have such classic seamless actions that I’ve never managed to lock up with both double figured carp and barbel. Yet they are equally as fun taming a 3lb perch.

The blank slimness’s at the cork is rather impressive as is the weight/balance in the hand and sought after or not I don’t believe daiwa bettered it with later versions.

Chris pointed out the x weave going right to the tip which is the reason it was different to the other models. The tip section was manufactured out of 1 piece of cloth not two

You often find when the carbon changes patterns it’s done with two different cloths to give the tip a slightly faster or stiffer or different action to the rest of the rod depending on what it is.
In the pms11* range it wasn’t and I think that’s the reason it’s action is so classicly desirable.

There isn’t many specialist rods that I’ve used that feel quite the same as a pms in action. I’d say one that’s very similar and feels equally as excellent is the stradic specialist 1.25 as that blank is absolutely stunning to play fish on. Again such a desirable classic Avon type action that never locks up.
Pms is still the slightly better rod mind with Daiwas awesome armlock cork.

Great powermesh rods and never bettered imo
 
Yes, beauties the original short butt three piecers. Will be putting a pair on the classifieds here later, one in absolutely mint as new condition.
 
I have a pair of the 11'9" and whilst I can't compare it to the other models I can say that it's the best all round rod I've ever used and that includes several Harrisons.

I've rolled meat on the Swale, floater fished for Carp, maggot feeder and float fished for Tench, and on and on.

If I was fishing shallow venues I'd even step back in time and utilise the threaded eye for a swing tip.
 
Bob Watson said:
I have a pair of the 11'9" and whilst I can't compare it to the other models I can say that it's the best all round rod I've ever used and that includes several Harrisons.

I've rolled meat on the Swale, floater fished for Carp, maggot feeder and float fished for Tench, and on and on.

If I was fishing shallow venues I'd even step back in time and utilise the threaded eye for a swing tip.
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I still think the tip is bit stiff for maggot feeder, especially for roach and chub
 
Neil Smart said:
Huan, you mentioned a carrier for these rods, any pointers?
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It’s a standard quiver tip section that makes the rod twin tip. But it takes strange size tips, shorter than most quiver tips I’ve seen. The best way to describe them is, take a drennan glass tip, cut from the last eye to the bottom, the remaining tip will fit nicely and has the same length as the original.
 
Huanzhou Zhu said:
It’s a standard quiver tip section that makes the rod twin tip. But it takes strange size tips, shorter than most quiver tips I’ve seen. The best way to describe them is, take a drennan glass tip, cut from the last eye to the bottom, the remaining tip will fit nicely and has the same length as the original.
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Thanks, you say standard quiver section, would that be Drennan? Can't understand why Drennan stuck a useless screw tip on the end given the screw in quivers were angling trash, unless it was for the swingers🤔 As you say the top section is too stiff for chub etc so hardly an Avon rod. A lovely stylish rod that was ruined by such a small detail.
 
Neil Smart said:
Thanks, you say standard quiver section, would that be Drennan? Can't understand why Drennan stuck a useless screw tip on the end given the screw in quivers were angling trash, unless it was for the swingers🤔 As you say the top section is too stiff for chub etc so hardly an Avon rod. A lovely stylish rod that was ruined by such a small detail.
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The quiver section takes push in quiver tips. It comes as an extra with the PMS-X I believe. It comes with three push in carbon quiver tips, but those tips are slight shorter. No idea why Daiwa designed it in this way.
 
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