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Close season.

Its certainly complex and sticky Ian, there is no doubt about that.

For me part of the problem is the lack of coherent facts and any kind of meaningful consensus, which in itself is most likely linked to a lack of facts. For example, we regularly hear the argument that removing the close season on stillwaters and canals has had no negative impact on fish stocks etc. Its been said so many times that it appears to have become an absolute truth. Howvever, I am not aware of any independent study that has been conducted that clearly supports this contention-but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Part of the issue is that the nature of stillwaters means that stock levels can be manged far more easily-by restocking as necessary. It is also the case that there is a far greater commercial imperative now with the commercials-livelihoods are at stake here so there is no real incentive for large sections of the angling fraternity to push for an independent scientific study.

Also, lets say that the decision was taken to keep the close season but build in some flexibility as to how/when it is applied. Do you have a regional based approach or keep it national with a change each year based on weather and other relevant environmental conditions? If so, what are the data points for this and when exactly would they be taken? Who would pay for the work required to enable that approach to be taken?

For rivers, what impact does wading have on spawning grounds, grounds that might shift year on year as a result of weather and flood conditions? Is the dynamic nature of rivers one of the very things that makes it difficult (even before you get into issues of ownership and the relatively free movement of fish) to draw any kind of meaningful conclusion about the benefit or otherwise of the close season? I can certainly see that this dynamism makes a compelling link to any supposed evidence from stillwaters or canals a little tenuous.

Turning back to this issue of valid data, it has occurred to me from time to time that members of this forum, if they so desired and with some organisation and support, could contribute important data sets that might help in a wider context. For example (and I am conscious of the fact that I am over simplifying what would be, and would need to be, a well thought out and constructed study) what value would there be in us recording some key data about our catches-by quantity, river location and size. Data that might be captured over a number of seasons, anonymously and dropped easily into a database enabling some albeit basic data analysis that could help inform us and other groups. That may not work but I wonder sometimes whether we could, as a group, think and focus more on the things that unite us rather than our differences. This, in turn, might give us a stronger and more compelling voice in the political world we would need to engage with if we want to effect change to protect our sport now and for future generations.

Hi Howard, nice post as usual BUT the gathered data would only be of any use to a sensible debate if it was catch data gathered on a river which had NO close season, as that's the only way we could compare it with what we have today.

On that basis, it's never going to happen..............unfortunately

I'm afraid the power to keep this decision, even partially in the hands of anglers, was given away 20 odd years ago by the "angling hierarchy" of the day when they agreed the terms of any re-negotiation - and they knew full well what they were doing.


Steve
 
Hi Howard, nice post as usual BUT the gathered data would only be of any use to a sensible debate if it was catch data gathered on a river which had NO close season, as that's the only way we could compare it with what we have today.

On that basis, it's never going to happen..............unfortunately

I'm afraid the power to keep this decision, even partially in the hands of anglers, was given away 20 odd years ago by the "angling hierarchy" of the day when they agreed the terms of any re-negotiation - and they knew full well what they were doing.


Steve

Thanks Steve. In fact the observation about gathering catch data wasn't linked to the close season at all, but to the point about the general need for quality data. Obviously you need to have in mind a purpose for the data collection to ensure the appropriate data points are obtained. I just wonder sometimes if we should try, as a group, given our collective experience and insight, to think of something we can do that does contribute to the need for data on which more informed debate could take place. I recognise the difficulties though.
 
Hello ian, not got out at all for past 2 years due to medical problems for me and the missus but hoping things turn round this season, renewed all me fishing bits, gained another pair of rods and new chair and hoping to get fishing again.

Howard, sorry mate but wading is detrimental to barbels spawning grounds, yes most barbelmen know better than to approach known gravelly beds where they spawn BUT!
think of all the all rounders who dont know! they aint gonna wade in deep water are they? and most wont recognise barbel spawning shallows, quite the opposite with the uninitiated, what most inexperienced will see is maybe lots of big fish crashing around and would be in there in a flash trying to catch em but would only scare and disburse them away from the beds and maybe treading all over any eggs already laid, apart from that bit your post as is ians is good thoughts:)

Thanks John and in relation to wading, that was my point and in particular why rivers are a such a different consideration to stillwaters or canals perhaps. This is linked to the point that gravel/spawning beds can change each year as a result of extreme weather/flood conditions. The related problem is the one that many people have raised which is how spawning times can change each year-again, due to prevailing weather conditions.

Howard
 
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