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C4 - Dirty Business

Got it on now. Makes me so angry what the water companies have and still are getting away with.
 
I suffer from high blood pressure. This programme isn't helping! I am beyond angry at the Water Co's, the EA and successive governments.
I urge all Forum members to watch. You can get it on "catch-up" if you missed it tonight.
 
About it watch it on catch up. But I did see clips about the tragic and avoidable death of poor Heather Preen (RIP) earlier today and found myself shaking with anger 😡. I didn't know her story before. It's beyond the pale.
 
Criminal is the term I will use and I will wager that not a single person will ever go to prison for this young girls death. Is it corporate manslaughter?

We need an MP with integrity to take whole disgusting abhorrent scandal within the water companies to its highest level.

Justice needs to be sought for Heather her family and any other victims.

Many on this site will be aware of what the companies are doing, it's cover up but very few could imagine what this programme has exposed and how it has impacted on people.
 
Whilst sharing the obvious sypathy to victims, the root causes of the problem are not rocket science. In simple terms investment in expansion of our water treatment capacity has fallen behind the population growth. Politicians cover this up for obvious reasons. Two solutions are equally obvious. More water treatment plants need to be built or less use . The second wont happen obviously, the first is inevitable unless we accept untreated sewage as a cost of modern living.
Tony Koziol said:
Criminal is the term I will use and I will wager that not a single person will ever go to prison for this young girls death. Is it corporate manslaughter?

We need an MP with integrity to take whole disgusting abhorrent scandal within the water companies to its highest level.

Justice needs to be sought for Heather her family and any other victims.

Many on this site will be aware of what the companies are doing, it's cover up but very few could imagine what this programme has exposed and how it has impacted on people.
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Alec Hague said:
Whilst sharing the obvious sypathy to victims, the root causes of the problem are not rocket science. In simple terms investment in expansion of our water treatment capacity has fallen behind the population growth. Politicians cover this up for obvious reasons. Two solutions are equally obvious. More water treatment plants need to be built or less use . The second wont happen obviously, the first is inevitable unless we accept untreated sewage as a cost of modern living.
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So what are you getting at? Are you saying it’s the bill paying population that’s at fault? Or the utility companies total lack of investment at fault? Or the politicians and governments The population vote into power that’s at fault? 🤔
 
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What I am saying Jim, is that we have a water treatment system build to accommodate a population of around 60 million souls, not 80 million or so.
 
Alec Hague said:
What I am saying Jim, is that we have a water treatment system build to accommodate a population of around 60 million souls, not 80 million or so.
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Built to accommodate 60million? Dream on. That would imply an efficency of around 86% when the stats prove it's a lot lot worse.

The system is broken because zero value is placed most of the things valued by a civilised society. Shareholders done receive dividends for clean water targets, only profits.
 
Current debt at Thames Water around 22 billion (according to the BBC) if the person at the top of Thames was the best candidate for the job what were the other candidates like ?

Furthermore which water companies are the the failed candidates now running?
 
Tony Koziol said:
Current debt at Thames Water around 22 billion (according to the BBC) if the person at the top of Thames was the best candidate for the job what were the other candidates like ?

Furthermore which water companies are the the failed candidates now running?
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The problem is Tony is that who you and I might think is the best person for the job e.g. someone prepared to properly invest in suitable infrastructure to reduce pollution etc is a lot different to whom the shareholders want. E.g..someone willing to drive profits and protect shareholder dividends. One of the reasons why the privatisation of water companies is so flawed.
 
Joe Winstanley said:
The problem is Tony is that who you and I might think is the best person for the job e.g. someone prepared to properly invest in suitable infrastructure to reduce pollution etc is a lot different to whom the shareholders want. E.g..someone willing to drive profits and protect shareholder dividends. One of the reasons why the privatisation of water companies is so flawed.
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Totally agree. Even as a young man at the time I thought how disgraceful it was to even consider making a profit out of what is a basic requirement for all creatures. The right to clean water. Disgusting.
 
Joe Winstanley said:
Built to accommodate 60million? Dream on. That would imply an efficency of around 86% when the stats prove it's a lot lot worse.

The system is broken because zero value is placed most of the things valued by a civilised society. Shareholders done receive dividends for clean water targets, only profits.
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HibJoe. My only guidance I must confess is recalling evidence I heard in the Lands Tribunal in the 70' relating to the Royal commision on water resources, known jokingly as the royal effluent which suggested the current system could accommodate a population increase of around 10%. Not the 30/40 % we have experienced.
If we are going down the route of who got what or who didn't do, then we fall into the trap of discussing the fact not the remedy.
 
Only one country in the world has fully privatised water providers (guess). 4 have a mix of privatisation/concessions/lease/management. 26 have some form of concession/lease/management arrangement. That leaves 164 with public ownership.
 
Andrew Thomas said:
Only one country in the world has fully privatised water providers (guess). 4 have a mix of privatisation/concessions/lease/management. 26 have some form of concession/lease/management arrangement. That leaves 164 with public ownership.
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I don't have a problem with private ownership per se but it relies on human nature not to be greedy. Sadly that's where it fails down
 
Andrew Thomas said:
Only one country in the world has fully privatised water providers (guess). 4 have a mix of privatisation/concessions/lease/management. 26 have some form of concession/lease/management arrangement. That leaves 164 with public ownership.
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I get what you’re saying but I don’t think it quite works that way, I believe there’s only something like 100 countries in the world that have water supplied the house as we think of it and only a third of those it’s considered safe to drink. Most the world it’s still a privilege for it to come out the tap.
 
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