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Beauchamp Court

Last year there seemed to be an element of stoic resolve to the recession but I have noticed that many of us are feeling the pinch in '10. This will have a knock on effect on angling at all levels I am sure.

Also, you must remember that a large proportion of anglers are followers of the latest trends but when their catch levels start to decline they will fade away unless they are given a quick fix. The carp puddles are always available for a bend in the rod which is all many of the want.

And the last winter has been a bitch! The fact that any anglers ventured out in the vain attempt at getting acquainted with a barbel in the conditions we have experienced over the last few months is quite remarkable.

So, given the finances, the fad followers and the foolish it all adds up to a severe drop in enthusiasm. But, given a warm spring, clever marketing and a few easy fish in the summer and they will come back.

Some may even join your lot Rich, stranger things have happened :)
 
Rich Frampton said:
The number of river anglers appears to have dropped and that will have consquences for all in the long term.
Cheers Rich.
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It this particular case regarding Beauchamps Court, it is the dissapointed BS membership that has dropped and not necessarily the general river anglers.

For you to desert your prime BS flagship fishery when things are not going so well with lack of fish and lack of members prepared to fish it, don't you think it there is a problem somewhere! Perhaps you should have pumped some of the stored BS Research and tree cutting money in finding the cause and rectifying the problem like you tend to do on other waters, instead of ducking the issue and moving on to buy/lease a new venue where there are still plenty of fish, like on the Wye.
It seems that you have just reaped what you can from the fishery and fish and it no longer suits or you care for some reason.
 
Ray,

Stick at what you know and to subjects where your grasp is informed.

When you move outside your area of expertise your comments fall short of the mark, the above post being a prime example.

I apologise if that seems harsh and if some see it as a personal attack, it isn't, but your choice of words and subject matter very often do you a disservice and lead some, and I'm definitely one, to question your motives.
 
Personally, as far as I'm concerned this is a BS matter and for the MEMBERSHIP to sort out. The question was asked and replied to twice in the first four posts, why we are now on page 3 beggars belief. If you are not a member why are you so bothered ??, if you are then ask on the BS forum. Seems to me that any mention the BS brings out the same old terriers snapping at the heels, just move on it's only fishing for gods sake.

Best Regards
Dave
 
Its not just 'only fishing' Dave and some don't care if it was not here at all, like yourself it seems!

Hi Steve...Long time no speak!
I see my post has ruffled your feathers for some reason.
Really, I think my post is quite relevant to Beauchamps Court, and being an original Barbel Society founder member, the right to express an alternative opinion is correct.
If you would like to expand on your statement above, i would love to hear it.
I am sure the BS membership had 'no say' in abandoning the BS flagship venue and it was yours and a few others decision, as it no longer suits your personal requirments.
The Wye is a lot closer to home nowadays as is the Teme, which still hold a good number of barbel and more suitable for guiding for some like yourself and Graham.

More importantly, I see also that a good percentage of the R+C fund (which could have been used at Beauchamps Court research and conservation and other environmental causes) is now going to be used to prop up and enhance the BS website!

Quote from BS Committee meeting - 6.2.2010
“After further discussion, a further alternative proposal was tabled for the possibility of sharing the next Auction receipts on a 25% for the website and 75% for R&C basis. This proposal resulted in a majority vote in favour. This resulted in the decision to progress the undertaking, with SA requesting input from all concerned with regard to the required display and activity content for the proposed website.”

I hope Steve can explain this and why they are dipping into the R+C funds for other negligible purposes, and this is clearly stated up front at the next auction to where donations of items are sought from outside of the BS.
 
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Off Topic Nit Picking...

Ray,

You said, above: -

"More importantly, I see also that a good percentage of the R+C fund (which could have been used at Beauchamps Court research and conservation and other environmental causes) is now going to be used to prop up and enhance the BS website!"

.... and, again, you are way off beam because the R&C Fund is ring-fenced for R&C Projects and no 'percentage', good, bad nor indifferent, will ever be utilised for anything other than R&C works.

Should you care to read, digest and consider the statement you have been supplied with, with regard to the "Auction" receipts, you may note that there is no reference to the R&C (existing substantial) Fund in there, just a re-direction of a lesser proportion of this year's possible auction receipts.

Facts, Ray, in short supply to you it seems,


Mike.
 
Stuart.....I am sure that the current economic climate does have an impact but the take up of tickets was very very low.Dave could well be right in that the fishing,weather etc has simply put people off...my observation having seen so few anglers out at the weekend still worries me as it was the last weekend on the river.


Ray..my last comment had moved on from the B/C issue.Bearing in mind it has little to do with you I am dissappointed that you have found the need to yet again "stick your oar in".
The fact that the fishery has become unviable with the current attitude of the land agents has,to be quite frank,squat nothing to do with you....even if you were a founder member as you like to continually remind everyone.You make it sound like you found the water and set up the deal.
 
beauchamps court

hi everyone
With many of us struggling with job worries and money problems beauchamps court has become too much money to fish on bs water..When u consider that wduaa licence costs alot less and they have the opposite bank at beauchamps court it doesent surprise me that many anglers have left bs..Perhaps if bs stopped charging for different waters and consilidated every water so as anglers only need one licence then perhaps bs would become more interesting to many other anglers..:)
 
Am I the only one who finds the idea that being a founder member of something, but apparently not l a member now, giving people special rights over people who actually are members and pay some money a little odd.
I used to be a member of several different angling clubs (rather dependent on where I lived), not any more..however I shall be contacting them immediately demanding a say in their affairs :)
Or perhaps I won't and instead I shall leave it up to those who are actually members and get on with influencing the clubs I actually contribute to financially and by taking part in work parties...even during the close season against the advice of Professor Walton, rather than slagging of anybody who tries to do anything they don't agree with.
Any way, just another two days to wait before I can go and fish on my local rivers again, presently legally, until Professor Walton and his environment fundamentalists issue a fatwa against me for setting foot in the countryside during the spring:eek:
 
I dont like what has happend to the Tuffty Club, and as I was once a member im going to get onto them straight away. Damn grey squirrels.
 
Tony Rocca said:
I dont like what has happend to the Tuffty Club, and as I was once a member im going to get onto them straight away. Damn grey squirrels.
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I resigned from the Tuffty Club on a point of principal and encouraged all my mates to join the Tinger and Tucker club instead... you got a free badge and Auntie Jean was a sex god when I was six.
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And I shall be off down my local canal soon in search of some very hefty perch that now dwell there. The "fatwa" tickled me pink as did Tony and his Tufty Club.

Regards,

Lee.
 
Why are some a bit touchy about this and looking for reasons which probably don't exist?
Leasing or renting a stretch of water is similar to leasing or renting a pub, you need customers to make it viable.
If the number of customers is not sufficient to pay the overheads you are in trouble.
As I suspect is the case with Beauchamp Court. Not enough anglers buying permits to make it viable so it has to go. Established water or not it's a case of use it or lose it.
Personally I applaud the B.S. for not subsidising it from other revenue sources.

Years ago I was secretary of a small angling club and I negotiated with a landowner to rent a stretch of the lovely River Wreake here in Leicestershire. Everything was fine until the landowner passed all our details to an agent acting on his behalf, After two years the rent trebled and we had to try and raise additional revenue to pay or it. This meant increasing club subscribitions by over 150% (this was the only water we had). Fewer people paid up as they said the cost was to much and they could buy cheap day tickets on other parts of the river. The outcome was that the club folded.

It seems to me the B.S. rather than raise the subscription for Beauchamp have made what to my mind is a sensible decision and let the stretch go. Sad I know but in this economic climate we have to face facts.

Paul
 
Mike/Alan
It's not rocket science is it. We spend all our time at work trying to sell out a 24,000 capacity stadium.
Things for many people are tough, a big local employer in Loughborough has just closed down, another company has failed to land a big contract, it all leads to job losses and less money in the pocket.
When we talk leisure especially fishing there are cost factors to take into consideration, not just the permit cost, but bait, tackle, we all incurr losses on rivers and very importantly fuel to get there and back.
Need I say more.

Paul
 
Paul the fuel consideration is becoming increasingly important to me. Next season I'm going to try and encourage more car sharing for my Trent trips. A one hundred mile round trip ain't cheap anymore. I'll have to get some mates I suppose............

Conrad
 
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