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Balanced Tackle

I'm guessing more than a few fish have died as a result of being tethered by a high breaking strain braided mainline attached to a large hook.
They don't stand a chance.




You're probably right, Ed. Walking (as opposed to fish-spotting) a section of small London-ish river this summer I saw something flashing gold a few feet down and few feet below a hanging willow branch. Clothes off, quick wade and tug-of-war with a very tired near-7 barb, hook removed and freed barb eased away, several yards of braid (mainline and hooklink) and a good hook wound round a stick and taken home.
 
been reading the last page of posts with the thought that for many anglers, fishing at this time of year means fishing with lighter line and hook lengths and bait and hook sizes are reduced so as to increase the chances of a bite. that's what most of us have come to regard as 'the norm' for general course fishing.

But, like carp and pike where many waters have minimum line strength limits, my own club is 15lb, and quite rightly so, most barbel anglers seem to have the opposite mindset and in as far as i have seen, and read here and on other forums, use a sensible strengths right through their tackle to cope with the need to not spend ages landing the fish and causing it to become exhausted leading to possible injury or worse. I once realized that while fishing for roach and chub with a 12' shimano twin power feeder rod, a shimano 3010 bio master loaded with 4lb line and a 2 1/2lb hook link and size 18 drennan feeder hook that the fish i had hooked was not a roach i stopped messing around gently persuading the fish to leave the bottom of the river where it had set up camp and put as much of a bend in the rod as i dared while walking up and down stream, as much as that the bank-side vegetation would allow, to try to get the fish, still unseen as then but it was a choice between a barbel and a polaris nuclear sub as to what it was, i'll say barbel as the water is less than 5 feet there and the top of the conning tower would be visible;). needles to say i eventually pulled to a point where the hook-link gave way but not until 15 minutes had passed.

after that experience i was a little more wary of swims that held barbel and have tended to fish gear a little more beefed up when bottom fishing (6lb main and 4lb hook link, 1 1/4lb avon specialist rod), just in case, but to keep the barbel from munching your bait when targeting other species can't be helped, where as using lighter tackle to target them is fool hardy and counterproductive as well as bad for the fish from what has been said here.

the point made about catching fish in sub zero temperatures is a concern too, in the water the temp is stable but once taken out in to air temps reduced further by wind chill cant be good for any fish let alone one that has put it's all into a fight to remain in it's watery domain. maybe a little more of your take on this could be helpful to us Ray

now i am what i consider a novice barbel angler, although i have fished other species for over 35 years, so i like to take on board as much information and wisdom from others as i can, but, most of the 'wisdom' seemed to center around what tackle, bait and swim to chose and far less about the ethical treatment of the fish themselves, many reveling on how long they took to land a fish, either how fast by using carp gear that was to say the least unsporting or using the lightest float rod in the bag lightest line and tiny hooks . to that end i seldom fish with others on the river if i can find a quiet place i do even if it's just because it's too early for normal folk on a town stretch in winter, just me and a dog walker or two;)

Balanced tackle for barbel seems a wide range of rods and reels, and i thought i had a lot when i carp fished:eek: , from 1 1/4lb avons to 2 3/4lb floodwater rods and about every 1/4lb or so in between, cane and 'pin in the traditionalists style and even some more exotic ones like the Hexagraphs, one with a certain Mr Waltons name on ( got a no. 3 this week still looking for the no1;)), all good, and some great, all different or at least interesting but more than anything else, all made for the job of hooking, playing and landing big barbel if your lucky enough to have them take your bait. In carp fishing i was told the most important part of your setup is from the hook back a yard, that doesn't hold with barbel, in my mind the bit in between the hook and the soul of your shoes needs to be working together:)
 
Nathan, Ed, .... i agree 100%.
Though i've never lost a Barbel in a snag, i worry about it using 12lb nylon, and have been thinking about dropping to 10lb main and 8lb hooklength.

Even 20lb braid unless it were damaged could i think tether a fish.

This applies to Carp as well, in the dying hours of last season i had a 13lb common on the Loddon, which cheered me up a bit until i saw the state of its mouth, that i would guess would have been caused in the previous few weeks.
There comes a point when the fishes lip is the weakest link in the chain, if it has the power it's only hope of escape is to rip it's lip apart to free itself.

Personaly apart from maybe Catfish fishing, line strengths of 30lb+ have no place in course fishing.... bloody ridiculous :mad:
 
John...Would it have altered your view if the fact that Keith hooked and landed a manificent barbel while tackled up and fishing for 'barbel' (not chub) with a 3.6 bottom. Having read Keith's explanation again it seems he 'lowered' the line strength knowing that barbel were in the swim! Too late however.
Again, what do you think of Keith's companion Dave Currell (former record holder) targeting and catching the same and other barbel to 14.9 on the 'Pole' on the same river with similar light tackle? Surely this should be applauded even more so.:)


Ray, I know Keith, and if he says he was fishing for Chub then he was. That was the point I was making.
I fished you're beloved Hant's Avon in the middle reaches a few years back, for Barbel and Chub and Roach and Dace. If I targeted the Barbel and had them in the swim and I couldn't tempt them then I would often target the Dace that were also there. Change to the float with 3lb line and catch a good bag of Dace. If I'd have stuck to the B.S. minimum line requirement because there were Barbel in the swim then I don't think I'd have caught any Dace.
As for Dave Currell (former record holder) maybe he was fishing with the B.S. minimum line requirement, maybe not, we don't know, so I can't really give an opinion. But it's not a method I would use to catch Barbel.
 
with the possible exception of jerk bait fishing for pike with big lures where 45lb braid is commonplace, the heaviest mainline braid doesn't need to be more than 20lb on the largest carp water, i don't particularly like braid for carping, with the exception of margin stalking in tight swims with a centrepin, and usually have 12lb and 16lb fluorocarbon coated line loaded on big pits.

6, 8, 10 and 12lb mono or fluorocarbon for barbel depending on swim, what method, rod, reel and bait i use and 11lb braid for float fishing and a 15lb dynema for the heaviest fishing situations i encounter

the trouble is some people see the line diameter as much as the breaking strain, my 11lb braid is only 0.11mm same as many 3 lb lines and by the time you get to 25lb braid it's the same diameter as 8lb mono so it gets heavier line on the same reel. too much by any standards in my book
 
I use 20lb braid and wouldent dream of fishing close to any snag that a fish may get stuck in..Also ive never had one barbel get snagged up if anything braid is better in weedy conditions because it cuts through it alot easier than mono..But i do understand where this is coming from because at times i have worried that i may get snagged up and the braid is very hard to break off but i guess im lucky because i know my local rivers very well and the water clarity is generally clear so you can see any obstructions..I only started using braid because i noticed that the Barbel were spotting mono a mile off and wouldent go anywhere near it!! but they dont seem botherd when they see braid which i think is probably because it blends into the weed very well..
 
hi , just to clear something up in that i would not fish for barbel with anything less than 8lb. The example i gave was just that an example and i applogise if it has upset one or two of you. i understand the power of a barbel and also know that it would be irresponsible to fish for them with light gear.
 
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