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Bail arms

Kevin Brown said:
It’s even bigger news to me that folk actually manually trip the bail arm...
it’s probably filtered down from carp anglers....
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It didn't filter down to me from carp anglers - I don't go near them, I worry I'd wake them up. :D
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For the purpose of the thread I thought I’d show you what these parts are and what they go through.
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Chris rightly mentioned baitrunner and while it’s not taking the full blunt force of the rotor, if you engage it everytime with the reel handle at full speed, you are slamming one of the two buffers on the main gear into a pawl which is held in place by that small pivot pin I’m pointing too. That’s some impact, and while it’s designed for it, it’s not going to take it forever. Shutting the BR with the switch is better for your reel’s internal system.

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This is the auto bail trip from the same reel and definitely one of the better ones around. That little metal foot needs a hell of a slam to pull that bail over and it’s strong spring into its relaxed position. If your fingers wound fit in there the force required could likely break them.
That little foot is going to have enough of it eventually.
 
Just think it’s another excuse to take away choice from the consumer , I have a Penn Battle II from my salmon fishing days and that as no anti reverse , apparently it’s to stop you bruising your knuckles on a hard fighting game fish if your a backwinder ?! Not that I do and always use the clutch , but I don’t have that choice now .
Same with the bail arm thing

What did we do when we fished with open bail arms ? We wound down till we felt resistance and struck . I don’t remember anyone manually closing the bail arm first .
 
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I can't believe anyone uses the auto trip, you're asking for line problems especially when using braid.
Don't see the point of on/ off anti reverse, either.
 
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Kevin Steele said:
Who ever fished with open bail arms, except when trotting? I really don't get this thread.
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Lol
Carp anglers pike anglers etc
No baitrunners then
It was a way of giving line to a running fish without resistance, the belief was if the fish felt resistance it dropped the bait

I know it’s old school and most anglers don’t get we’re I’m coming from but it’s how we used to fish back then .
And some habits die hard …
 
Kevin Brown said:
Lol
Carp anglers pike anglers etc
No baitrunners then
It was a way of giving line to a running fish without resistance, the belief was if the fish felt resistance it dropped the bait

I know it’s old school and most anglers don’t get we’re I’m coming from but it’s how we used to fish back then .
And some habits die hard …
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Pike anglers still do it with drop offs.
 
Huanzhou Zhu said:
I never used the auto bail arm in my life…
First time I known people are using it.
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I’m still a bit unsure what is meant by auto bail arm but am presuming it means winding the handle to close….if so then yes I’m the same as you have always manually closed. Only time I have used an auto bail arm is with an old daiwa match reel ‘finger dab’ which was for flicking open when casting
 
Kevin Brown said:
Lol
Carp anglers pike anglers etc
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I've never studied the habits of either.

Like I said, I avoid carp anglers for fear of waking them. And anyone who sticks a couple of trebles in the sides of a live fish and calls it sport shouldn't be allowed a rod licence.
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Alan Palmer said:
I’m still a bit unsure what is meant by auto bail arm but am presuming it means winding the handle to close….if so then yes I’m the same as you have always manually closed. Only time I have used an auto bail arm is with an old daiwa match reel ‘finger dab’ which was for flicking open when casting
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I assumed the same, I hate this design since I need to wind very hard and quick to close the bail arm, and I don’t think that’s good for your reel?
 
Kevin Brown said:
Lol
Carp anglers pike anglers etc
No baitrunners then
It was a way of giving line to a running fish without resistance, the belief was if the fish felt resistance it dropped the bait

I know it’s old school and most anglers don’t get we’re I’m coming from but it’s how we used to fish back then .
And some habits die hard …
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Don’t think carp anglers do this anymore? Bolt rig rules, not to mention the new magic rig
 
Huanzhou Zhu said:
Don’t think carp anglers do this anymore? Bolt rig rules, not to mention the new magic rig
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Baitrunners were just a modern open bail arm when they first came out (although used for sea fishing first )..nowadays the other choice is QD
 
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Kevin Steele said:
Who ever fished with open bail arms, except when trotting? I really don't get this thread.
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I fished open bail arms in the 70s as a kid when carp fishing ...2p piece on the spool with a bait box under it and a bobbin made from tin foil :)...could,nt afford heron buzzers at the time ...it worked well with screaming runs 😂
 
Tim Marks said:
Why does a discussion on reel design provide an ‘excuse‘ to slag off other groups of specialist anglers?

Certain factions of barbel anglers do themselves and the sport no favours.
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Guilty, so I'll take the bait.

Pike anglers do themselves no favours by sticking trebles into live fish and calling a thread on their forum 'Cl1ts and t1t5 on Friday'. I reserve the right to criticise any section of society that behaves like that.

As for carp anglers - I thought it pretty obvious I was joking when I said I avoid them for fear of waking them up. I apologise to any reader lacking a sense of humour. 😉
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Kevin Steele said:
Guilty, so I'll take the bait.

Pike anglers do themselves no favours by sticking trebles into live fish and calling a thread on their forum 'Cl1ts and t1t5 on Friday'. I reserve the right to criticise any section of society that behaves like that.

As for carp anglers - I thought it pretty obvious I was joking when I said I avoid them for fear of waking them up. I apologise to any reader lacking a sense of humour. 😉
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I think it's possible to identify a minority within any area of angling that really doesn't do the pastime any favours.

I don't see the point in digging out pike angling as a whole just because of the actions of a few Herbert's on a certain forum.

And all the digs about carp angling on here are becoming a bit repetitive and a little boring. I'm not aiming that specifically at you Kevin as it's becoming a bit of a constant on here. I'm not sure how some anglers that seem to mainly fish for barbel and little else seem to have developed this assumed superiority other areas of angling.

Lots of us don't consider ourselves 'barbel anglers', 'carp anglers' or 'gudgeon anglers'...just anglers who fish for a range of different species throughout the year.

Anyway, this thread has gone way off topic! Personally I can understand the rationale behind manual bail arms on reels of say 4000 plus (shimmy oc/d size) for safety reasons on smaller lakes. I'm suprised I haven't read of a 'crack off' fatality, accident waiting to happen imo.
 
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